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meetup at the align:start position:0% Bakersville a local meetup at the align:start position:0% Bakersville a local meetup at the various places around campus or the align:start position:0% various places around campus or the align:start position:0% various places around campus or the Cambridge area people who are interested align:start position:0% Cambridge area people who are interested align:start position:0% Cambridge area people who are interested in developing working into card games so align:start position:0% in developing working into card games so align:start position:0% in developing working into card games so you're gonna go talk a little bit about align:start position:0% you're gonna go talk a little bit about align:start position:0% you're gonna go talk a little bit about what to do sure um so I just I make align:start position:0% what to do sure um so I just I make align:start position:0% what to do sure um so I just I make games make board games and make card align:start position:0% games make board games and make card align:start position:0% games make board games and make card games and I try and never stop doing align:start position:0% games and I try and never stop doing align:start position:0% games and I try and never stop doing them I don't have a particular like align:start position:0% them I don't have a particular like align:start position:0% them I don't have a particular like anything that I could play that I could align:start position:0% anything that I could play that I could align:start position:0% anything that I could play that I could make happen I'll do it align:start position:0% make happen I'll do it align:start position:0% make happen I'll do it you know like we do party games so like align:start position:0% you know like we do party games so like align:start position:0% you know like we do party games so like I just got 2500 copies of my first party align:start position:0% I just got 2500 copies of my first party align:start position:0% I just got 2500 copies of my first party game delivered to my house like three align:start position:0% game delivered to my house like three align:start position:0% game delivered to my house like three hours ago which is interesting align:start position:0% hours ago which is interesting align:start position:0% hours ago which is interesting myself and then getting here but I also align:start position:0% myself and then getting here but I also align:start position:0% myself and then getting here but I also am developing a gigantic stupid board align:start position:0% am developing a gigantic stupid board align:start position:0% am developing a gigantic stupid board game that's just called a big dumb war align:start position:0% game that's just called a big dumb war align:start position:0% game that's just called a big dumb war game which is like I'm you guys really align:start position:0% game which is like I'm you guys really align:start position:0% game which is like I'm you guys really like Axis and Allies or any of those old align:start position:0% like Axis and Allies or any of those old align:start position:0% like Axis and Allies or any of those old so I need to play that when I was in align:start position:0% so I need to play that when I was in align:start position:0% so I need to play that when I was in high school because I liked being lonely align:start position:0% high school because I liked being lonely align:start position:0% high school because I liked being lonely and then I decided I want to make a align:start position:0% and then I decided I want to make a align:start position:0% and then I decided I want to make a version of that that's actually fun align:start position:0% version of that that's actually fun align:start position:0% version of that that's actually fun we're also working on a game called pack align:start position:0% we're also working on a game called pack align:start position:0% we're also working on a game called pack the pack which is a you guys know cards align:start position:0% the pack which is a you guys know cards align:start position:0% the pack which is a you guys know cards against humanity' okay so they're align:start position:0% against humanity' okay so they're align:start position:0% against humanity' okay so they're running this contest called the cards align:start position:0% running this contest called the cards align:start position:0% running this contest called the cards against humanity' tabletop deathmatch align:start position:0% against humanity' tabletop deathmatch align:start position:0% against humanity' tabletop deathmatch and it's they got indie developers from align:start position:0% and it's they got indie developers from align:start position:0% and it's they got indie developers from all over the country to submit stuff and align:start position:0% all over the country to submit stuff and align:start position:0% all over the country to submit stuff and so one of our games is in that which align:start position:0% so one of our games is in that which align:start position:0% so one of our games is in that which will be it's like a river played old align:start position:0% will be it's like a river played old align:start position:0% will be it's like a river played old Diablo remember when you would collect align:start position:0% Diablo remember when you would collect align:start position:0% Diablo remember when you would collect loot and you'd have to fit it in your align:start position:0% loot and you'd have to fit it in your align:start position:0% loot and you'd have to fit it in your bag and it was all weird shaped so it's align:start position:0% bag and it was all weird shaped so it's align:start position:0% bag and it was all weird shaped so it's an inventory Tetris game where everyone align:start position:0% an inventory Tetris game where everyone align:start position:0% an inventory Tetris game where everyone is pulling tiles which are effectively align:start position:0% is pulling tiles which are effectively align:start position:0% is pulling tiles which are effectively dominoes with different images on them align:start position:0% dominoes with different images on them align:start position:0% dominoes with different images on them and then you're you're aligning them to align:start position:0% and then you're you're aligning them to align:start position:0% and then you're you're aligning them to make gems so it's like an analog version align:start position:0% make gems so it's like an analog version align:start position:0% make gems so it's like an analog version of super puzzle fighter and the way but align:start position:0% of super puzzle fighter and the way but align:start position:0% of super puzzle fighter and the way but this is more to the point like align:start position:0% this is more to the point like align:start position:0% this is more to the point like everything I've just described to you align:start position:0% everything I've just described to you align:start position:0% everything I've just described to you doesn't tell you anything about the align:start position:0% doesn't tell you anything about the align:start position:0% doesn't tell you anything about the games except in reference to other games align:start position:0% games except in reference to other games align:start position:0% games except in reference to other games that I about but um that's kind of align:start position:0% that I about but um that's kind of align:start position:0% that I about but um that's kind of how I do design I look at I look at align:start position:0% how I do design I look at I look at align:start position:0% how I do design I look at I look at games that I like and then I threw the align:start position:0% games that I like and then I threw the align:start position:0% games that I like and then I threw the sec them and take the parts that I want align:start position:0% sec them and take the parts that I want align:start position:0% sec them and take the parts that I want and and then put them back together with align:start position:0% and and then put them back together with align:start position:0% and and then put them back together with other parts and see if there's a but align:start position:0% other parts and see if there's a but align:start position:0% other parts and see if there's a but yeah also I did printing and publishing align:start position:0% yeah also I did printing and publishing align:start position:0% yeah also I did printing and publishing for ten years and then that drove me align:start position:0% for ten years and then that drove me align:start position:0% for ten years and then that drove me madder than normal so I left that to do align:start position:0% madder than normal so I left that to do align:start position:0% madder than normal so I left that to do this so I very very rapidly me and my align:start position:0% this so I very very rapidly me and my align:start position:0% this so I very very rapidly me and my team very rapidly designed games we align:start position:0% team very rapidly designed games we align:start position:0% team very rapidly designed games we bring a design all the way to a align:start position:0% bring a design all the way to a align:start position:0% bring a design all the way to a publishing level in about a month from align:start position:0% publishing level in about a month from align:start position:0% publishing level in about a month from conception to execution align:start position:0% conception to execution align:start position:0% conception to execution they're not these huge endeavors but align:start position:0% they're not these huge endeavors but align:start position:0% they're not these huge endeavors but it's good to kind of stay really busy align:start position:0% it's good to kind of stay really busy align:start position:0% it's good to kind of stay really busy with it an exercise with it and realize align:start position:0% with it an exercise with it and realize align:start position:0% with it an exercise with it and realize that sometimes the project is going to align:start position:0% that sometimes the project is going to align:start position:0% that sometimes the project is going to fail and you can back away from it and align:start position:0% fail and you can back away from it and align:start position:0% fail and you can back away from it and go Apple that month is kind of a bust align:start position:0% go Apple that month is kind of a bust align:start position:0% go Apple that month is kind of a bust and so we're actually also exploring align:start position:0% and so we're actually also exploring align:start position:0% and so we're actually also exploring different kind of business models for align:start position:0% different kind of business models for align:start position:0% different kind of business models for board games because this isn't really a align:start position:0% board games because this isn't really a align:start position:0% board games because this isn't really a huge lady align:start position:0% huge lady align:start position:0% huge lady there are very few people who are going align:start position:0% there are very few people who are going align:start position:0% there are very few people who are going to be very wealthy on it or even do good align:start position:0% to be very wealthy on it or even do good align:start position:0% to be very wealthy on it or even do good on it yeah seriously so like maybe you align:start position:0% on it yeah seriously so like maybe you align:start position:0% on it yeah seriously so like maybe you make the next Settlers of Catan and and align:start position:0% make the next Settlers of Catan and and align:start position:0% make the next Settlers of Catan and and then you're selling a SETI like 5,000 align:start position:0% then you're selling a SETI like 5,000 align:start position:0% then you're selling a SETI like 5,000 copies a year it's not that many think align:start position:0% copies a year it's not that many think align:start position:0% copies a year it's not that many think of it depending on the way your business align:start position:0% of it depending on the way your business align:start position:0% of it depending on the way your business is set up you may see a fraction of that align:start position:0% is set up you may see a fraction of that align:start position:0% is set up you may see a fraction of that money so like that's why a lot of very align:start position:0% money so like that's why a lot of very align:start position:0% money so like that's why a lot of very very good designers like I'm a big fan align:start position:0% very good designers like I'm a big fan align:start position:0% very good designers like I'm a big fan of Brunetta duty who just came out with align:start position:0% of Brunetta duty who just came out with align:start position:0% of Brunetta duty who just came out with masquerade which is like a yeah so he align:start position:0% masquerade which is like a yeah so he align:start position:0% masquerade which is like a yeah so he he'll turn out not turn out he'll put align:start position:0% he'll turn out not turn out he'll put align:start position:0% he'll turn out not turn out he'll put out a couple games and then it just gets align:start position:0% out a couple games and then it just gets align:start position:0% out a couple games and then it just gets kind of a capture major um but we align:start position:0% kind of a capture major um but we align:start position:0% kind of a capture major um but we directly using short-run printing we align:start position:0% directly using short-run printing we align:start position:0% directly using short-run printing we directly manufacturer kind of our align:start position:0% directly manufacturer kind of our align:start position:0% directly manufacturer kind of our monthly games and then people are people align:start position:0% monthly games and then people are people align:start position:0% monthly games and then people are people subscribed to us through stuff like align:start position:0% subscribed to us through stuff like align:start position:0% subscribed to us through stuff like patreon and then we just we send them align:start position:0% patreon and then we just we send them align:start position:0% patreon and then we just we send them physical copies of the games that we align:start position:0% physical copies of the games that we align:start position:0% physical copies of the games that we make and I broke up like nine different align:start position:0% make and I broke up like nine different align:start position:0% make and I broke up like nine different games I made in the past six months yeah align:start position:0% games I made in the past six months yeah align:start position:0% games I made in the past six months yeah well you can borrow some of mine because align:start position:0% well you can borrow some of mine because align:start position:0% well you can borrow some of mine because they're there and then the you could align:start position:0% they're there and then the you could align:start position:0% they're there and then the you could borrow the back ones and then also we go align:start position:0% borrow the back ones and then also we go align:start position:0% borrow the back ones and then also we go to a Kickstarter for larger games ones align:start position:0% to a Kickstarter for larger games ones align:start position:0% to a Kickstarter for larger games ones where we want to make like multi align:start position:0% where we want to make like multi align:start position:0% where we want to make like multi thousand copies of it but the board yeah align:start position:0% thousand copies of it but the board yeah align:start position:0% thousand copies of it but the board yeah I will never stop talking okay cool yeah align:start position:0% I will never stop talking okay cool yeah align:start position:0% I will never stop talking okay cool yeah for board games really awesome I think align:start position:0% for board games really awesome I think align:start position:0% for board games really awesome I think that you align:start position:0% that you align:start position:0% that you know that and they're more awesome now align:start position:0% know that and they're more awesome now align:start position:0% know that and they're more awesome now than they used to be not just because align:start position:0% than they used to be not just because align:start position:0% than they used to be not just because they're more complicated right because align:start position:0% they're more complicated right because align:start position:0% they're more complicated right because complexity isn't what makes a game align:start position:0% complexity isn't what makes a game align:start position:0% complexity isn't what makes a game really good in fact usually a really align:start position:0% really good in fact usually a really align:start position:0% really good in fact usually a really complex game is really bad because it's align:start position:0% complex game is really bad because it's align:start position:0% complex game is really bad because it's a sign that there was a huge problem and align:start position:0% a sign that there was a huge problem and align:start position:0% a sign that there was a huge problem and that the designer said oh I know how to align:start position:0% that the designer said oh I know how to align:start position:0% that the designer said oh I know how to fix this I'll add another page to the align:start position:0% fix this I'll add another page to the align:start position:0% fix this I'll add another page to the rulebook that's that's but um but games align:start position:0% rulebook that's that's but um but games align:start position:0% rulebook that's that's but um but games are better now because people want them align:start position:0% are better now because people want them align:start position:0% are better now because people want them more and the reason I mean what I think align:start position:0% more and the reason I mean what I think align:start position:0% more and the reason I mean what I think the reason people want them more is align:start position:0% the reason people want them more is align:start position:0% the reason people want them more is because we crave physical analog time align:start position:0% because we crave physical analog time align:start position:0% because we crave physical analog time with other people now more so than more align:start position:0% with other people now more so than more align:start position:0% with other people now more so than more so than when I was a kid because we're align:start position:0% so than when I was a kid because we're align:start position:0% so than when I was a kid because we're super interconnected you know align:start position:0% super interconnected you know align:start position:0% super interconnected you know smartphones and all that stuff that we align:start position:0% smartphones and all that stuff that we align:start position:0% smartphones and all that stuff that we can't live our life without look I'm align:start position:0% can't live our life without look I'm align:start position:0% can't live our life without look I'm twittering all the way down here doing align:start position:0% twittering all the way down here doing align:start position:0% twittering all the way down here doing 80 on the highway cuz I'm a bad person align:start position:0% 80 on the highway cuz I'm a bad person align:start position:0% 80 on the highway cuz I'm a bad person but the ability to say okay I've been align:start position:0% but the ability to say okay I've been align:start position:0% but the ability to say okay I've been staring at these screens all day long align:start position:0% staring at these screens all day long align:start position:0% staring at these screens all day long and my entire life is scheduled I need align:start position:0% and my entire life is scheduled I need align:start position:0% and my entire life is scheduled I need to have some I need to schedule my align:start position:0% to have some I need to schedule my align:start position:0% to have some I need to schedule my relaxing time and it needs to not be me align:start position:0% relaxing time and it needs to not be me align:start position:0% relaxing time and it needs to not be me staring at a screen so I think there's align:start position:0% staring at a screen so I think there's align:start position:0% staring at a screen so I think there's something in the zeitgeist of that align:start position:0% something in the zeitgeist of that align:start position:0% something in the zeitgeist of that personal feeling that that people had align:start position:0% personal feeling that that people had align:start position:0% personal feeling that that people had that that has caused a resurgence in in align:start position:0% that that has caused a resurgence in in align:start position:0% that that has caused a resurgence in in face-to-face gaming yeah cuz they may align:start position:0% face-to-face gaming yeah cuz they may align:start position:0% face-to-face gaming yeah cuz they may even like like apps and stuff I will align:start position:0% even like like apps and stuff I will align:start position:0% even like like apps and stuff I will straight up just hands-down beat anyone align:start position:0% straight up just hands-down beat anyone align:start position:0% straight up just hands-down beat anyone that plays the race for the galaxy app align:start position:0% that plays the race for the galaxy app align:start position:0% that plays the race for the galaxy app if I'm playing them face to face because align:start position:0% if I'm playing them face to face because align:start position:0% if I'm playing them face to face because the the skills that you need are align:start position:0% the the skills that you need are align:start position:0% the the skills that you need are completely different things that for align:start position:0% completely different things that for align:start position:0% completely different things that for games do really well that you don't find align:start position:0% games do really well that you don't find align:start position:0% games do really well that you don't find in other mediums so like I play a ton of align:start position:0% in other mediums so like I play a ton of align:start position:0% in other mediums so like I play a ton of neck Runner which is a really awesome align:start position:0% neck Runner which is a really awesome align:start position:0% neck Runner which is a really awesome game or book on that's awful the rule align:start position:0% game or book on that's awful the rule align:start position:0% game or book on that's awful the rule book is the worst but but some people align:start position:0% book is the worst but but some people align:start position:0% book is the worst but but some people have hacked together there's a program align:start position:0% have hacked together there's a program align:start position:0% have hacked together there's a program called octagon which is like a virtual align:start position:0% called octagon which is like a virtual align:start position:0% called octagon which is like a virtual tabletop where you can basically align:start position:0% tabletop where you can basically align:start position:0% tabletop where you can basically simulate any game that's been made what align:start position:0% simulate any game that's been made what align:start position:0% simulate any game that's been made what I mean is a whole interesting other align:start position:0% I mean is a whole interesting other align:start position:0% I mean is a whole interesting other discussion of how do you do internet align:start position:0% discussion of how do you do internet align:start position:0% discussion of how do you do internet piracy of board games anyway so octagons align:start position:0% piracy of board games anyway so octagons align:start position:0% piracy of board games anyway so octagons really neat except one of the things align:start position:0% really neat except one of the things align:start position:0% really neat except one of the things about netrunner align:start position:0% about netrunner align:start position:0% about netrunner if you've played it richer raise your align:start position:0% if you've played it richer raise your align:start position:0% if you've played it richer raise your hand so I know okay yeah sure although align:start position:0% hand so I know okay yeah sure although align:start position:0% hand so I know okay yeah sure although the new version is better you should align:start position:0% the new version is better you should align:start position:0% the new version is better you should totally get back into the new version align:start position:0% totally get back into the new version align:start position:0% totally get back into the new version that's amazing so it has some it's by align:start position:0% that's amazing so it has some it's by align:start position:0% that's amazing so it has some it's by the same guy who designed Magic the align:start position:0% the same guy who designed Magic the align:start position:0% the same guy who designed Magic the Gathering and it has some similarities align:start position:0% Gathering and it has some similarities align:start position:0% Gathering and it has some similarities to that but what makes it really neat is align:start position:0% to that but what makes it really neat is align:start position:0% to that but what makes it really neat is that it's kind of an asymmetrical game align:start position:0% that it's kind of an asymmetrical game align:start position:0% that it's kind of an asymmetrical game like I'll be an evil corporation for align:start position:0% like I'll be an evil corporation for align:start position:0% like I'll be an evil corporation for instance and you might be a scrappy align:start position:0% instance and you might be a scrappy align:start position:0% instance and you might be a scrappy computer hacker and you're trying to align:start position:0% computer hacker and you're trying to align:start position:0% computer hacker and you're trying to infiltrate my servers which are align:start position:0% infiltrate my servers which are align:start position:0% infiltrate my servers which are represented by my deck of cards my hand align:start position:0% represented by my deck of cards my hand align:start position:0% represented by my deck of cards my hand of cards my discard pile of cards or align:start position:0% of cards my discard pile of cards or align:start position:0% of cards my discard pile of cards or like other things that I've installed align:start position:0% like other things that I've installed align:start position:0% like other things that I've installed and find what - various plans are right align:start position:0% and find what - various plans are right align:start position:0% and find what - various plans are right you get all these crazy programs that align:start position:0% you get all these crazy programs that align:start position:0% you get all these crazy programs that allow you to circumnavigate my defenses align:start position:0% allow you to circumnavigate my defenses align:start position:0% allow you to circumnavigate my defenses and I get all these programs that allow align:start position:0% and I get all these programs that allow align:start position:0% and I get all these programs that allow me to put down the fences or maybe I get align:start position:0% me to put down the fences or maybe I get align:start position:0% me to put down the fences or maybe I get a card that says I or really Bombardier align:start position:0% a card that says I or really Bombardier align:start position:0% a card that says I or really Bombardier your apartment building which is always align:start position:0% your apartment building which is always align:start position:0% your apartment building which is always fun but a huge part of that game align:start position:0% fun but a huge part of that game align:start position:0% fun but a huge part of that game although you can play it on octagon a align:start position:0% although you can play it on octagon a align:start position:0% although you can play it on octagon a tremendous part of that game is is align:start position:0% tremendous part of that game is is align:start position:0% tremendous part of that game is is bluffing because it's it's what makes align:start position:0% bluffing because it's it's what makes align:start position:0% bluffing because it's it's what makes the game really rich as the hidden in align:start position:0% the game really rich as the hidden in align:start position:0% the game really rich as the hidden in for not just that it's asymmetrical but align:start position:0% for not just that it's asymmetrical but align:start position:0% for not just that it's asymmetrical but there's a huge component of hitting align:start position:0% there's a huge component of hitting align:start position:0% there's a huge component of hitting information like as a corporation in align:start position:0% information like as a corporation in align:start position:0% information like as a corporation in that game everything I do I do by align:start position:0% that game everything I do I do by align:start position:0% that game everything I do I do by placing my cards facedown so I know what align:start position:0% placing my cards facedown so I know what align:start position:0% placing my cards facedown so I know what they are but you don't and you have to align:start position:0% they are but you don't and you have to align:start position:0% they are but you don't and you have to like you know start to count cards a align:start position:0% like you know start to count cards a align:start position:0% like you know start to count cards a little bit or like start to make align:start position:0% little bit or like start to make align:start position:0% little bit or like start to make educated guesses about what you can you align:start position:0% educated guesses about what you can you align:start position:0% educated guesses about what you can you know can I run into can I can I can I align:start position:0% know can I run into can I can I can I align:start position:0% know can I run into can I can I can I attack his hand even though I have no align:start position:0% attack his hand even though I have no align:start position:0% attack his hand even though I have no offensive capabilities here is that align:start position:0% offensive capabilities here is that align:start position:0% offensive capabilities here is that going to mean that he explodes like a align:start position:0% going to mean that he explodes like a align:start position:0% going to mean that he explodes like a thing in my brain and my my computer align:start position:0% thing in my brain and my my computer align:start position:0% thing in my brain and my my computer hacker dies or you know there's there align:start position:0% hacker dies or you know there's there align:start position:0% hacker dies or you know there's there there's all that so a lot of that game align:start position:0% there's all that so a lot of that game align:start position:0% there's all that so a lot of that game is call is about managing what's called align:start position:0% is call is about managing what's called align:start position:0% is call is about managing what's called tilt which is um something you get in align:start position:0% tilt which is um something you get in align:start position:0% tilt which is um something you get in poker when you start if you play poker align:start position:0% poker when you start if you play poker align:start position:0% poker when you start if you play poker when you start losing poker if you align:start position:0% when you start losing poker if you align:start position:0% when you start losing poker if you forget that pokers is kind of a long align:start position:0% forget that pokers is kind of a long align:start position:0% forget that pokers is kind of a long game and that you should really be align:start position:0% game and that you should really be align:start position:0% game and that you should really be playing it with an eye on what the rest align:start position:0% playing it with an eye on what the rest align:start position:0% playing it with an eye on what the rest of your week looks like as opposed to align:start position:0% of your week looks like as opposed to align:start position:0% of your week looks like as opposed to this hand you'll start to play worse align:start position:0% this hand you'll start to play worse align:start position:0% this hand you'll start to play worse because you're doing worse and you'll align:start position:0% because you're doing worse and you'll align:start position:0% because you're doing worse and you'll just align:start position:0% just align:start position:0% just and so it's kind of like a towel but align:start position:0% and so it's kind of like a towel but align:start position:0% and so it's kind of like a towel but it's it's almost it's more than just align:start position:0% it's it's almost it's more than just align:start position:0% it's it's almost it's more than just saying like I've got a bad card in my align:start position:0% saying like I've got a bad card in my align:start position:0% saying like I've got a bad card in my hand it's going I'm losing so I need to align:start position:0% hand it's going I'm losing so I need to align:start position:0% hand it's going I'm losing so I need to play harder which would be great if it align:start position:0% play harder which would be great if it align:start position:0% play harder which would be great if it was handball or something but in a card align:start position:0% was handball or something but in a card align:start position:0% was handball or something but in a card game that's really like that doesn't align:start position:0% game that's really like that doesn't align:start position:0% game that's really like that doesn't work because really what you want to do align:start position:0% work because really what you want to do align:start position:0% work because really what you want to do is establish a regularity and what align:start position:0% is establish a regularity and what align:start position:0% is establish a regularity and what you're doing especially a game that align:start position:0% you're doing especially a game that align:start position:0% you're doing especially a game that that's that kind of mathematically align:start position:0% that's that kind of mathematically align:start position:0% that's that kind of mathematically perfect align:start position:0% align:start position:0% so my name's Mackenzie Cameron I'm event align:start position:0% so my name's Mackenzie Cameron I'm event align:start position:0% so my name's Mackenzie Cameron I'm event coordinator for the game makers guild so align:start position:0% coordinator for the game makers guild so align:start position:0% coordinator for the game makers guild so we host a lot of events which you guys align:start position:0% we host a lot of events which you guys align:start position:0% we host a lot of events which you guys if you have any games in any level align:start position:0% if you have any games in any level align:start position:0% if you have any games in any level prototype whether it's nearly finished align:start position:0% prototype whether it's nearly finished align:start position:0% prototype whether it's nearly finished or you just you know scrape down align:start position:0% or you just you know scrape down align:start position:0% or you just you know scrape down something on an Afghan and you're like align:start position:0% something on an Afghan and you're like align:start position:0% something on an Afghan and you're like it might play you go grab some dice or align:start position:0% it might play you go grab some dice or align:start position:0% it might play you go grab some dice or whatever we accept that which you'll align:start position:0% whatever we accept that which you'll align:start position:0% whatever we accept that which you'll check out our site let's meet up slash align:start position:0% check out our site let's meet up slash align:start position:0% check out our site let's meet up slash game makers go oh actually we just align:start position:0% game makers go oh actually we just align:start position:0% game makers go oh actually we just recently got the game makers guild calm align:start position:0% recently got the game makers guild calm align:start position:0% recently got the game makers guild calm so you can go to that website that's a align:start position:0% so you can go to that website that's a align:start position:0% so you can go to that website that's a coup which I'm just enjoying exactly you align:start position:0% coup which I'm just enjoying exactly you align:start position:0% coup which I'm just enjoying exactly you know sweet I'm slowly trying to make align:start position:0% know sweet I'm slowly trying to make align:start position:0% know sweet I'm slowly trying to make sure that rebuild copy for that as an align:start position:0% sure that rebuild copy for that as an align:start position:0% sure that rebuild copy for that as an option so it just gave me a little more align:start position:0% option so it just gave me a little more align:start position:0% option so it just gave me a little more game makers deal calm align:start position:0% game makers deal calm align:start position:0% game makers deal calm awesome I don't know how we managed to align:start position:0% awesome I don't know how we managed to align:start position:0% awesome I don't know how we managed to get that without it somebody else align:start position:0% get that without it somebody else align:start position:0% get that without it somebody else already having it but I know most a lot align:start position:0% already having it but I know most a lot align:start position:0% already having it but I know most a lot of the other events that we hope to be align:start position:0% of the other events that we hope to be align:start position:0% of the other events that we hope to be like just the standard play testing but align:start position:0% like just the standard play testing but align:start position:0% like just the standard play testing but we also do like indie board game that align:start position:0% we also do like indie board game that align:start position:0% we also do like indie board game that showcases actually I posted that and align:start position:0% showcases actually I posted that and align:start position:0% showcases actually I posted that and brookline three times now where we just align:start position:0% brookline three times now where we just align:start position:0% brookline three times now where we just did anyone that has like a cool design align:start position:0% did anyone that has like a cool design align:start position:0% did anyone that has like a cool design submit your designs and then we try and align:start position:0% submit your designs and then we try and align:start position:0% submit your designs and then we try and bring it out to the public and then align:start position:0% bring it out to the public and then align:start position:0% bring it out to the public and then let's see other stuff that I do I tried align:start position:0% let's see other stuff that I do I tried align:start position:0% let's see other stuff that I do I tried to get my hand in everything or dim align:start position:0% to get my hand in everything or dim align:start position:0% to get my hand in everything or dim related in Boston I helped out at night align:start position:0% related in Boston I helped out at night align:start position:0% related in Boston I helped out at night moves the board game cafe align:start position:0% moves the board game cafe align:start position:0% moves the board game cafe which is a lot of fun okay so don't know align:start position:0% which is a lot of fun okay so don't know align:start position:0% which is a lot of fun okay so don't know about it it's a you pay ten bucks to get align:start position:0% about it it's a you pay ten bucks to get align:start position:0% about it it's a you pay ten bucks to get in they having a library of something align:start position:0% in they having a library of something align:start position:0% in they having a library of something like 700 games and you can play it for align:start position:0% like 700 games and you can play it for align:start position:0% like 700 games and you can play it for as long as you like with anybody that's align:start position:0% as long as you like with anybody that's align:start position:0% as long as you like with anybody that's around I also do a board games themed align:start position:0% around I also do a board games themed align:start position:0% around I also do a board games themed webcomic overboard align:start position:0% webcomic overboard align:start position:0% webcomic overboard - comic calm oh I'm gonna be doing a align:start position:0% - comic calm oh I'm gonna be doing a align:start position:0% - comic calm oh I'm gonna be doing a panel offense this year me and five align:start position:0% panel offense this year me and five align:start position:0% panel offense this year me and five other folks are we talking about board align:start position:0% other folks are we talking about board align:start position:0% other folks are we talking about board game language but should be pretty align:start position:0% game language but should be pretty align:start position:0% game language but should be pretty interesting it's a talk like a board align:start position:0% interesting it's a talk like a board align:start position:0% interesting it's a talk like a board game geek if anyone's going to pax who's align:start position:0% game geek if anyone's going to pax who's align:start position:0% game geek if anyone's going to pax who's going to pax many of you you should align:start position:0% going to pax many of you you should align:start position:0% going to pax many of you you should totally go it's like the best thing the align:start position:0% totally go it's like the best thing the align:start position:0% totally go it's like the best thing the reason I moved to Boston and then in align:start position:0% reason I moved to Boston and then in align:start position:0% reason I moved to Boston and then in this sort of distant future I've got a align:start position:0% this sort of distant future I've got a align:start position:0% this sort of distant future I've got a plans for my sort of maiden voyage into align:start position:0% plans for my sort of maiden voyage into align:start position:0% plans for my sort of maiden voyage into Kickstarter called killer broke a which align:start position:0% Kickstarter called killer broke a which align:start position:0% Kickstarter called killer broke a which is a croquet based murder simulator align:start position:0% is a croquet based murder simulator align:start position:0% is a croquet based murder simulator that'll be a board game and it's amazing align:start position:0% that'll be a board game and it's amazing align:start position:0% that'll be a board game and it's amazing and I'm kind of on nemesis it up now align:start position:0% and I'm kind of on nemesis it up now align:start position:0% and I'm kind of on nemesis it up now just say that the line is wrong about align:start position:0% just say that the line is wrong about align:start position:0% just say that the line is wrong about anything but I'm doing sort of one idea align:start position:0% anything but I'm doing sort of one idea align:start position:0% anything but I'm doing sort of one idea build it up do the Kickstarter sort of align:start position:0% build it up do the Kickstarter sort of align:start position:0% build it up do the Kickstarter sort of thing the rapid iteration is yeah really align:start position:0% thing the rapid iteration is yeah really align:start position:0% thing the rapid iteration is yeah really important but there's definitely lots of align:start position:0% important but there's definitely lots of align:start position:0% important but there's definitely lots of different paths towards making a board align:start position:0% different paths towards making a board align:start position:0% different paths towards making a board game and having it be successful I think align:start position:0% game and having it be successful I think align:start position:0% game and having it be successful I think the main difference is that he has align:start position:0% the main difference is that he has align:start position:0% the main difference is that he has another job align:start position:0% another job align:start position:0% another job oh yeah and I don't that's right for no align:start position:0% oh yeah and I don't that's right for no align:start position:0% oh yeah and I don't that's right for no money at all yeah I did this for no align:start position:0% money at all yeah I did this for no align:start position:0% money at all yeah I did this for no money - except that's a problem so rapid align:start position:0% money - except that's a problem so rapid align:start position:0% money - except that's a problem so rapid iteration but you know I do want to talk align:start position:0% iteration but you know I do want to talk align:start position:0% iteration but you know I do want to talk about like how you how you went from align:start position:0% about like how you how you went from align:start position:0% about like how you how you went from game idea to like the prototype sure I align:start position:0% game idea to like the prototype sure I align:start position:0% game idea to like the prototype sure I mean do they do me one of them ask align:start position:0% mean do they do me one of them ask align:start position:0% mean do they do me one of them ask questions okay align:start position:0% questions okay align:start position:0% questions okay so it's the process - definitely I mean align:start position:0% so it's the process - definitely I mean align:start position:0% so it's the process - definitely I mean rapid iteration but I just kind of align:start position:0% rapid iteration but I just kind of align:start position:0% rapid iteration but I just kind of finally settled on one idea that I align:start position:0% finally settled on one idea that I align:start position:0% finally settled on one idea that I actually want to push forward rather align:start position:0% actually want to push forward rather align:start position:0% actually want to push forward rather than try and extrusion fun lots of small align:start position:0% than try and extrusion fun lots of small align:start position:0% than try and extrusion fun lots of small ideas get the one big one I think the align:start position:0% ideas get the one big one I think the align:start position:0% ideas get the one big one I think the main difference is that is that I'm align:start position:0% main difference is that is that I'm align:start position:0% main difference is that is that I'm hoping that with that one idea I'll be align:start position:0% hoping that with that one idea I'll be align:start position:0% hoping that with that one idea I'll be able to Ken align:start position:0% able to Ken align:start position:0% able to Ken he's momentum to generally generate more align:start position:0% he's momentum to generally generate more align:start position:0% he's momentum to generally generate more funding for a general brand name of my align:start position:0% funding for a general brand name of my align:start position:0% funding for a general brand name of my design studio but the coming up of that align:start position:0% design studio but the coming up of that align:start position:0% design studio but the coming up of that ad is definitely a rapid iteration align:start position:0% ad is definitely a rapid iteration align:start position:0% ad is definitely a rapid iteration process where you come up with the very align:start position:0% process where you come up with the very align:start position:0% process where you come up with the very like sketchy idea some players some align:start position:0% like sketchy idea some players some align:start position:0% like sketchy idea some players some designers start with a mechanic so align:start position:0% designers start with a mechanic so align:start position:0% designers start with a mechanic so they're like I want to do something with align:start position:0% they're like I want to do something with align:start position:0% they're like I want to do something with deck building where build decks over the align:start position:0% deck building where build decks over the align:start position:0% deck building where build decks over the course of the game which makes an engine align:start position:0% course of the game which makes an engine align:start position:0% course of the game which makes an engine that you then draw to then do other cool align:start position:0% that you then draw to then do other cool align:start position:0% that you then draw to then do other cool things and then other players other align:start position:0% things and then other players other align:start position:0% things and then other players other designers myself I'm usually like this align:start position:0% designers myself I'm usually like this align:start position:0% designers myself I'm usually like this start with some sort of system or some align:start position:0% start with some sort of system or some align:start position:0% start with some sort of system or some sort of theme in my case croquet and see align:start position:0% sort of theme in my case croquet and see align:start position:0% sort of theme in my case croquet and see if you can turn that into a board game align:start position:0% if you can turn that into a board game align:start position:0% if you can turn that into a board game by adding different mechanics and seeing align:start position:0% by adding different mechanics and seeing align:start position:0% by adding different mechanics and seeing what works and what doesn't align:start position:0% what works and what doesn't align:start position:0% what works and what doesn't which the game makers field is pretty align:start position:0% which the game makers field is pretty align:start position:0% which the game makers field is pretty fantastic for that when you get a game align:start position:0% fantastic for that when you get a game align:start position:0% fantastic for that when you get a game you design it and not your first like align:start position:0% you design it and not your first like align:start position:0% you design it and not your first like first place where you look at your name align:start position:0% first place where you look at your name align:start position:0% first place where you look at your name you feel like this is amazing this it'll align:start position:0% you feel like this is amazing this it'll align:start position:0% you feel like this is amazing this it'll work and you're trying to tell something align:start position:0% work and you're trying to tell something align:start position:0% work and you're trying to tell something about it and you try and have them play align:start position:0% about it and you try and have them play align:start position:0% about it and you try and have them play it and that doesn't always work so well align:start position:0% it and that doesn't always work so well align:start position:0% it and that doesn't always work so well no words it never works actually the align:start position:0% no words it never works actually the align:start position:0% no words it never works actually the first time you put your thing down on align:start position:0% first time you put your thing down on align:start position:0% first time you put your thing down on the table it's maybe burst into flames align:start position:0% the table it's maybe burst into flames align:start position:0% the table it's maybe burst into flames yeah a best-case scenario is it a burst align:start position:0% yeah a best-case scenario is it a burst align:start position:0% yeah a best-case scenario is it a burst of the flames in the music you've made align:start position:0% of the flames in the music you've made align:start position:0% of the flames in the music you've made some mistakes and it basically align:start position:0% some mistakes and it basically align:start position:0% some mistakes and it basically unplayable because you know you need align:start position:0% unplayable because you know you need align:start position:0% unplayable because you know you need dice and you realize that when you roll align:start position:0% dice and you realize that when you roll align:start position:0% dice and you realize that when you roll the dice the numbers always add up tis align:start position:0% the dice the numbers always add up tis align:start position:0% the dice the numbers always add up tis some combination of factors that when align:start position:0% some combination of factors that when align:start position:0% some combination of factors that when you apply that to the systems like oh align:start position:0% you apply that to the systems like oh align:start position:0% you apply that to the systems like oh well you're supposed to only move one align:start position:0% well you're supposed to only move one align:start position:0% well you're supposed to only move one space but every time you do this you align:start position:0% space but every time you do this you align:start position:0% space but every time you do this you actually just die immediately yeah so align:start position:0% actually just die immediately yeah so align:start position:0% actually just die immediately yeah so people can like like break break it align:start position:0% people can like like break break it align:start position:0% people can like like break break it again they actually he got like a table align:start position:0% again they actually he got like a table align:start position:0% again they actually he got like a table to find a tautology element and it just align:start position:0% to find a tautology element and it just align:start position:0% to find a tautology element and it just repeatedly but the worst one of them align:start position:0% repeatedly but the worst one of them align:start position:0% repeatedly but the worst one of them like the worst things you can do at a align:start position:0% like the worst things you can do at a align:start position:0% like the worst things you can do at a game that is developing for awhile I align:start position:0% game that is developing for awhile I align:start position:0% game that is developing for awhile I pitched it to you game salute and it was align:start position:0% pitched it to you game salute and it was align:start position:0% pitched it to you game salute and it was a semi cooperative game so the idea was align:start position:0% a semi cooperative game so the idea was align:start position:0% a semi cooperative game so the idea was that all players I have to work together align:start position:0% that all players I have to work together align:start position:0% that all players I have to work together so that everybody doesn't lose but then align:start position:0% so that everybody doesn't lose but then align:start position:0% so that everybody doesn't lose but then once you're going to reach a certain align:start position:0% once you're going to reach a certain align:start position:0% once you're going to reach a certain threshold only one player can win and align:start position:0% threshold only one player can win and align:start position:0% threshold only one player can win and kind of a difficult concept to really align:start position:0% kind of a difficult concept to really align:start position:0% kind of a difficult concept to really balance well but I managed align:start position:0% balance well but I managed align:start position:0% balance well but I managed really finagle it and get it working and align:start position:0% really finagle it and get it working and align:start position:0% really finagle it and get it working and a bunch of my play testers played it and align:start position:0% a bunch of my play testers played it and align:start position:0% a bunch of my play testers played it and it worked out exactly the way I wanted align:start position:0% it worked out exactly the way I wanted align:start position:0% it worked out exactly the way I wanted to they play it to a certain point and align:start position:0% to they play it to a certain point and align:start position:0% to they play it to a certain point and then they turn on each other then align:start position:0% then they turn on each other then align:start position:0% then they turn on each other then there's a sort of big climactic battle align:start position:0% there's a sort of big climactic battle align:start position:0% there's a sort of big climactic battle and it was fantastic align:start position:0% and it was fantastic align:start position:0% and it was fantastic watching them just the mechanically of align:start position:0% watching them just the mechanically of align:start position:0% watching them just the mechanically of how it works and then I asked them you align:start position:0% how it works and then I asked them you align:start position:0% how it works and then I asked them you know alright it seemed it seemed to work align:start position:0% know alright it seemed it seemed to work align:start position:0% know alright it seemed it seemed to work out really well that you guys enjoy it I align:start position:0% out really well that you guys enjoy it I align:start position:0% out really well that you guys enjoy it I said it was awful I said but it worked align:start position:0% said it was awful I said but it worked align:start position:0% said it was awful I said but it worked like you guys functioned in the way that align:start position:0% like you guys functioned in the way that align:start position:0% like you guys functioned in the way that was very functional is good you know but align:start position:0% was very functional is good you know but align:start position:0% was very functional is good you know but it wasn't fun which is something they align:start position:0% it wasn't fun which is something they align:start position:0% it wasn't fun which is something they you know you realize as a designer align:start position:0% you know you realize as a designer align:start position:0% you know you realize as a designer you're putting stuff together that the align:start position:0% you're putting stuff together that the align:start position:0% you're putting stuff together that the things that you necessarily think are align:start position:0% things that you necessarily think are align:start position:0% things that you necessarily think are very interesting or even if they're align:start position:0% very interesting or even if they're align:start position:0% very interesting or even if they're working don't necessarily come across as align:start position:0% working don't necessarily come across as align:start position:0% working don't necessarily come across as fun align:start position:0% fun align:start position:0% fun sounds like really interesting they align:start position:0% sounds like really interesting they align:start position:0% sounds like really interesting they finish the game yes usually like if align:start position:0% finish the game yes usually like if align:start position:0% finish the game yes usually like if you're especially if it's in a dedicated align:start position:0% you're especially if it's in a dedicated align:start position:0% you're especially if it's in a dedicated play dozen group and especially in the align:start position:0% play dozen group and especially in the align:start position:0% play dozen group and especially in the game makers Guild words primarily align:start position:0% game makers Guild words primarily align:start position:0% game makers Guild words primarily designers right that has its own align:start position:0% designers right that has its own align:start position:0% designers right that has its own downsides to it but yeah they'll see it align:start position:0% downsides to it but yeah they'll see it align:start position:0% downsides to it but yeah they'll see it through I mean they'll go Sisyphus on it align:start position:0% through I mean they'll go Sisyphus on it align:start position:0% through I mean they'll go Sisyphus on it push that Boulder all the way up just to align:start position:0% push that Boulder all the way up just to align:start position:0% push that Boulder all the way up just to see you know I mean even when we found align:start position:0% see you know I mean even when we found align:start position:0% see you know I mean even when we found stuff that that is completely broken in align:start position:0% stuff that that is completely broken in align:start position:0% stuff that that is completely broken in a game like I was playing a game where align:start position:0% a game like I was playing a game where align:start position:0% a game like I was playing a game where it was about like robots rising up align:start position:0% it was about like robots rising up align:start position:0% it was about like robots rising up against humans or something and there's align:start position:0% against humans or something and there's align:start position:0% against humans or something and there's this whole propaganda element and then align:start position:0% this whole propaganda element and then align:start position:0% this whole propaganda element and then in the first few turns we had identified align:start position:0% in the first few turns we had identified align:start position:0% in the first few turns we had identified that if you just went to this one space align:start position:0% that if you just went to this one space align:start position:0% that if you just went to this one space on the board and continued to by align:start position:0% on the board and continued to by align:start position:0% on the board and continued to by propaganda posters you could shut every align:start position:0% propaganda posters you could shut every align:start position:0% propaganda posters you could shut every other player educate and so it was just align:start position:0% other player educate and so it was just align:start position:0% other player educate and so it was just I'm gonna go there I'm not gonna move align:start position:0% I'm gonna go there I'm not gonna move align:start position:0% I'm gonna go there I'm not gonna move I'm just gonna keep doing this for the align:start position:0% I'm just gonna keep doing this for the align:start position:0% I'm just gonna keep doing this for the entire game until I win and at that align:start position:0% entire game until I win and at that align:start position:0% entire game until I win and at that point you could be like okay I don't align:start position:0% point you could be like okay I don't align:start position:0% point you could be like okay I don't want to put this game anymore this is align:start position:0% want to put this game anymore this is align:start position:0% want to put this game anymore this is dumb but we did it for a half hour as align:start position:0% dumb but we did it for a half hour as align:start position:0% dumb but we did it for a half hour as different people tried different things align:start position:0% different people tried different things align:start position:0% different people tried different things using the ruleset to unseat that bad align:start position:0% using the ruleset to unseat that bad align:start position:0% using the ruleset to unseat that bad decision so sometimes even when you align:start position:0% decision so sometimes even when you align:start position:0% decision so sometimes even when you identify something that's broken it just align:start position:0% identify something that's broken it just align:start position:0% identify something that's broken it just gives you a new wound to start poking at align:start position:0% gives you a new wound to start poking at align:start position:0% gives you a new wound to start poking at to see like what does this hurt doctor align:start position:0% to see like what does this hurt doctor align:start position:0% to see like what does this hurt doctor that's how doctors work align:start position:0% that's how doctors work align:start position:0% that's how doctors work stab you well it's funny cos eat up that align:start position:0% stab you well it's funny cos eat up that align:start position:0% stab you well it's funny cos eat up that doctor's game and we go this dr. skip align:start position:0% doctor's game and we go this dr. skip align:start position:0% doctor's game and we go this dr. skip yeah but sobbing cell phones that's align:start position:0% yeah but sobbing cell phones that's align:start position:0% yeah but sobbing cell phones that's right align:start position:0% right align:start position:0% right encouraging playtesters to kind of align:start position:0% encouraging playtesters to kind of align:start position:0% encouraging playtesters to kind of finish a game can be an art in and of align:start position:0% finish a game can be an art in and of align:start position:0% finish a game can be an art in and of itself oftentimes when you get in align:start position:0% itself oftentimes when you get in align:start position:0% itself oftentimes when you get in designers that think that they can fix align:start position:0% designers that think that they can fix align:start position:0% designers that think that they can fix your game for you it'll be hard-pressed align:start position:0% your game for you it'll be hard-pressed align:start position:0% your game for you it'll be hard-pressed to get them to finish his game because align:start position:0% to get them to finish his game because align:start position:0% to get them to finish his game because they're like no no this doesn't where align:start position:0% they're like no no this doesn't where align:start position:0% they're like no no this doesn't where you should do it like this but trying to align:start position:0% you should do it like this but trying to align:start position:0% you should do it like this but trying to urge your play testers we actually had align:start position:0% urge your play testers we actually had align:start position:0% urge your play testers we actually had an event where we brought some the end align:start position:0% an event where we brought some the end align:start position:0% an event where we brought some the end was an expert on generating play test align:start position:0% was an expert on generating play test align:start position:0% was an expert on generating play test feedback actually for video games but align:start position:0% feedback actually for video games but align:start position:0% feedback actually for video games but you don't lot of paper prototyping so it align:start position:0% you don't lot of paper prototyping so it align:start position:0% you don't lot of paper prototyping so it carried it over how oftentimes is just align:start position:0% carried it over how oftentimes is just align:start position:0% carried it over how oftentimes is just trying to encourage players to go all align:start position:0% trying to encourage players to go all align:start position:0% trying to encourage players to go all the way through because sometimes even align:start position:0% the way through because sometimes even align:start position:0% the way through because sometimes even as players even with published games align:start position:0% as players even with published games align:start position:0% as players even with published games you'll play a game like in the first align:start position:0% you'll play a game like in the first align:start position:0% you'll play a game like in the first playthrough you feel like oh this this align:start position:0% playthrough you feel like oh this this align:start position:0% playthrough you feel like oh this this one strategy is completely broken I align:start position:0% one strategy is completely broken I align:start position:0% one strategy is completely broken I don't know if anyone's familiar with the align:start position:0% don't know if anyone's familiar with the align:start position:0% don't know if anyone's familiar with the card game race for the galaxy maybe a align:start position:0% card game race for the galaxy maybe a align:start position:0% card game race for the galaxy maybe a couple but there's one particular align:start position:0% couple but there's one particular align:start position:0% couple but there's one particular strategy in it where the first time you align:start position:0% strategy in it where the first time you align:start position:0% strategy in it where the first time you play through there's the military align:start position:0% play through there's the military align:start position:0% play through there's the military strategy where if you have a certain align:start position:0% strategy where if you have a certain align:start position:0% strategy where if you have a certain level of military play a lot of cards align:start position:0% level of military play a lot of cards align:start position:0% level of military play a lot of cards roughly for free which is based on the align:start position:0% roughly for free which is based on the align:start position:0% roughly for free which is based on the mechanics and almost everybody that align:start position:0% mechanics and almost everybody that align:start position:0% mechanics and almost everybody that plays the game for the first time align:start position:0% plays the game for the first time align:start position:0% plays the game for the first time realizes like oh man military is such a align:start position:0% realizes like oh man military is such a align:start position:0% realizes like oh man military is such a great strategy like how did they like align:start position:0% great strategy like how did they like align:start position:0% great strategy like how did they like make this game and then the second time align:start position:0% make this game and then the second time align:start position:0% make this game and then the second time you play through two players try and use align:start position:0% you play through two players try and use align:start position:0% you play through two players try and use that strategy and a third player does a align:start position:0% that strategy and a third player does a align:start position:0% that strategy and a third player does a different strategy and all of a sudden align:start position:0% different strategy and all of a sudden align:start position:0% different strategy and all of a sudden that's the strategy that's overpowered align:start position:0% that's the strategy that's overpowered align:start position:0% that's the strategy that's overpowered and often times because the game doesn't align:start position:0% and often times because the game doesn't align:start position:0% and often times because the game doesn't completely lay itself out in front of align:start position:0% completely lay itself out in front of align:start position:0% completely lay itself out in front of all the players and the first play test align:start position:0% all the players and the first play test align:start position:0% all the players and the first play test that the perception that it's broken is align:start position:0% that the perception that it's broken is align:start position:0% that the perception that it's broken is not always necessarily trillion and you align:start position:0% not always necessarily trillion and you align:start position:0% not always necessarily trillion and you can't find that kind of stuff until you align:start position:0% can't find that kind of stuff until you align:start position:0% can't find that kind of stuff until you play tested in a really long time align:start position:0% play tested in a really long time align:start position:0% play tested in a really long time question align:start position:0% question align:start position:0% question or I think the very example that is align:start position:0% or I think the very example that is align:start position:0% or I think the very example that is we're coming gamble goes except like oh align:start position:0% we're coming gamble goes except like oh align:start position:0% we're coming gamble goes except like oh man this tragedy set over powered like align:start position:0% man this tragedy set over powered like align:start position:0% man this tragedy set over powered like this person's form like 70 points with align:start position:0% this person's form like 70 points with align:start position:0% this person's form like 70 points with it and none of us were above like 40 or align:start position:0% it and none of us were above like 40 or align:start position:0% it and none of us were above like 40 or so yeah and then give us unlike on Sonya align:start position:0% so yeah and then give us unlike on Sonya align:start position:0% so yeah and then give us unlike on Sonya try 180 points yeah well there's no align:start position:0% try 180 points yeah well there's no align:start position:0% try 180 points yeah well there's no stuff like that I think that's another align:start position:0% stuff like that I think that's another align:start position:0% stuff like that I think that's another that that eliminates another interesting align:start position:0% that that eliminates another interesting align:start position:0% that that eliminates another interesting thing about playtesting the the group align:start position:0% thing about playtesting the the group align:start position:0% thing about playtesting the the group that you're playtesting with really can align:start position:0% that you're playtesting with really can align:start position:0% that you're playtesting with really can make a huge different not just is this align:start position:0% make a huge different not just is this align:start position:0% make a huge different not just is this person or designer is this person matter align:start position:0% person or designer is this person matter align:start position:0% person or designer is this person matter designer but but how deeply they want to align:start position:0% designer but but how deeply they want to align:start position:0% designer but but how deeply they want to get into mastering that that system or align:start position:0% get into mastering that that system or align:start position:0% get into mastering that that system or how much they care about mastering that align:start position:0% how much they care about mastering that align:start position:0% how much they care about mastering that system because we offer i mean multiple align:start position:0% system because we offer i mean multiple align:start position:0% system because we offer i mean multiple tiers of play testing if the game makers align:start position:0% tiers of play testing if the game makers align:start position:0% tiers of play testing if the game makers go we have like just the standard we align:start position:0% go we have like just the standard we align:start position:0% go we have like just the standard we come in you play with a bunch of align:start position:0% come in you play with a bunch of align:start position:0% come in you play with a bunch of designers and they tell you it's crap align:start position:0% designers and they tell you it's crap align:start position:0% designers and they tell you it's crap and you go home and you cry and then align:start position:0% and you go home and you cry and then align:start position:0% and you go home and you cry and then you'd make a little bit better and get a align:start position:0% you'd make a little bit better and get a align:start position:0% you'd make a little bit better and get a little better but then there's also we align:start position:0% little better but then there's also we align:start position:0% little better but then there's also we have intensive play testing which is align:start position:0% have intensive play testing which is align:start position:0% have intensive play testing which is sort of phase two after you get a align:start position:0% sort of phase two after you get a align:start position:0% sort of phase two after you get a certain number have a nomination and align:start position:0% certain number have a nomination and align:start position:0% certain number have a nomination and curation system we're trying to set up a align:start position:0% curation system we're trying to set up a align:start position:0% curation system we're trying to set up a seal of a makers seal of approval so we align:start position:0% seal of a makers seal of approval so we align:start position:0% seal of a makers seal of approval so we can hopefully better pitch the our games align:start position:0% can hopefully better pitch the our games align:start position:0% can hopefully better pitch the our games to designers and the general public align:start position:0% to designers and the general public align:start position:0% to designers and the general public look at phase two intensive is the align:start position:0% look at phase two intensive is the align:start position:0% look at phase two intensive is the chance for union get the same roof align:start position:0% chance for union get the same roof align:start position:0% chance for union get the same roof people together and play your game a align:start position:0% people together and play your game a align:start position:0% people together and play your game a bunch of times and kind of I mean again align:start position:0% bunch of times and kind of I mean again align:start position:0% bunch of times and kind of I mean again part of the fun of that for play testers align:start position:0% part of the fun of that for play testers align:start position:0% part of the fun of that for play testers for a designer like it helps to iterate align:start position:0% for a designer like it helps to iterate align:start position:0% for a designer like it helps to iterate that even if the game is broken so that align:start position:0% that even if the game is broken so that align:start position:0% that even if the game is broken so that you can find all the little bits and align:start position:0% you can find all the little bits and align:start position:0% you can find all the little bits and pieces where the game's completely falls align:start position:0% pieces where the game's completely falls align:start position:0% pieces where the game's completely falls apart but the plays fester it can be align:start position:0% apart but the plays fester it can be align:start position:0% apart but the plays fester it can be kind of fun to just find like I mean align:start position:0% kind of fun to just find like I mean align:start position:0% kind of fun to just find like I mean it's like when you play a video game and align:start position:0% it's like when you play a video game and align:start position:0% it's like when you play a video game and you find like find something like align:start position:0% you find like find something like align:start position:0% you find like find something like element of the game where the graphics align:start position:0% element of the game where the graphics align:start position:0% element of the game where the graphics are screwed up or altering the world or align:start position:0% are screwed up or altering the world or align:start position:0% are screwed up or altering the world or almost adjust the exploration of that I align:start position:0% almost adjust the exploration of that I align:start position:0% almost adjust the exploration of that I don't have a lot of play testers like align:start position:0% don't have a lot of play testers like align:start position:0% don't have a lot of play testers like they enjoy like finding the the chinks align:start position:0% they enjoy like finding the the chinks align:start position:0% they enjoy like finding the the chinks in the armor align:start position:0% in the armor align:start position:0% in the armor well I think the other thing about about align:start position:0% well I think the other thing about about align:start position:0% well I think the other thing about about doing repeated play tests especially if align:start position:0% doing repeated play tests especially if align:start position:0% doing repeated play tests especially if it's the same group has anybody played align:start position:0% it's the same group has anybody played align:start position:0% it's the same group has anybody played the blend beer game Luke rousers that align:start position:0% the blend beer game Luke rousers that align:start position:0% the blend beer game Luke rousers that just came out like a so it's great you align:start position:0% just came out like a so it's great you align:start position:0% just came out like a so it's great you should play it totally worth the money align:start position:0% should play it totally worth the money align:start position:0% should play it totally worth the money it's a it's kind of like a lunar lander align:start position:0% it's a it's kind of like a lunar lander align:start position:0% it's a it's kind of like a lunar lander meets asteroids game right let's see so align:start position:0% meets asteroids game right let's see so align:start position:0% meets asteroids game right let's see so you're like kind of drifting and but you align:start position:0% you're like kind of drifting and but you align:start position:0% you're like kind of drifting and but you you can cut align:start position:0% you can cut align:start position:0% you can cut some eyes your air your airplane with align:start position:0% some eyes your air your airplane with align:start position:0% some eyes your air your airplane with like different engines and different align:start position:0% like different engines and different align:start position:0% like different engines and different bodies and different weapons and they align:start position:0% bodies and different weapons and they align:start position:0% bodies and different weapons and they all make the gameplay they all screw the align:start position:0% all make the gameplay they all screw the align:start position:0% all make the gameplay they all screw the physics of the game in different ways align:start position:0% physics of the game in different ways align:start position:0% physics of the game in different ways well unless you put like three or four align:start position:0% well unless you put like three or four align:start position:0% well unless you put like three or four hours into playing that game which is a align:start position:0% hours into playing that game which is a align:start position:0% hours into playing that game which is a lot of time for a very Arkady style game align:start position:0% lot of time for a very Arkady style game align:start position:0% lot of time for a very Arkady style game you don't you won't really know like how align:start position:0% you don't you won't really know like how align:start position:0% you don't you won't really know like how do I get past a certain threshold of align:start position:0% do I get past a certain threshold of align:start position:0% do I get past a certain threshold of points and and what is my sweet spot in align:start position:0% points and and what is my sweet spot in align:start position:0% points and and what is my sweet spot in controlling this airplane that I can align:start position:0% controlling this airplane that I can align:start position:0% controlling this airplane that I can maximize like how how powerful I am with align:start position:0% maximize like how how powerful I am with align:start position:0% maximize like how how powerful I am with it it's the same thing in in board games align:start position:0% it it's the same thing in in board games align:start position:0% it it's the same thing in in board games often it doesn't happen in that in that align:start position:0% often it doesn't happen in that in that align:start position:0% often it doesn't happen in that in that timeframe but um like for instance with align:start position:0% timeframe but um like for instance with align:start position:0% timeframe but um like for instance with netrunner or magic or whatever you play align:start position:0% netrunner or magic or whatever you play align:start position:0% netrunner or magic or whatever you play and play and play and play and you start align:start position:0% and play and play and play and you start align:start position:0% and play and play and play and you start to realize that some of the things in align:start position:0% to realize that some of the things in align:start position:0% to realize that some of the things in this game are just red herrings they're align:start position:0% this game are just red herrings they're align:start position:0% this game are just red herrings they're just they're just included to dilute the align:start position:0% just they're just included to dilute the align:start position:0% just they're just included to dilute the power of other things or they're they're align:start position:0% power of other things or they're they're align:start position:0% power of other things or they're they're included to to counterbalance very align:start position:0% included to to counterbalance very align:start position:0% included to to counterbalance very specific scenarios and things that seem align:start position:0% specific scenarios and things that seem align:start position:0% specific scenarios and things that seem like total weights are actually really align:start position:0% like total weights are actually really align:start position:0% like total weights are actually really important later on in the game and you align:start position:0% important later on in the game and you align:start position:0% important later on in the game and you just can't get that upfront just real align:start position:0% just can't get that upfront just real align:start position:0% just can't get that upfront just real quick and going back to so keen really align:start position:0% quick and going back to so keen really align:start position:0% quick and going back to so keen really quick is that there is a certain align:start position:0% quick is that there is a certain align:start position:0% quick is that there is a certain difficulty with length of games so if align:start position:0% difficulty with length of games so if align:start position:0% difficulty with length of games so if you have the game that you're trying to align:start position:0% you have the game that you're trying to align:start position:0% you have the game that you're trying to play test it and you hit 30 minutes and align:start position:0% play test it and you hit 30 minutes and align:start position:0% play test it and you hit 30 minutes and it's not fun and then you totally your align:start position:0% it's not fun and then you totally your align:start position:0% it's not fun and then you totally your players don't worry just two and a half align:start position:0% players don't worry just two and a half align:start position:0% players don't worry just two and a half hours warheads okay we'll get it figured align:start position:0% hours warheads okay we'll get it figured align:start position:0% hours warheads okay we'll get it figured out you've got a much harder row to toe align:start position:0% out you've got a much harder row to toe align:start position:0% out you've got a much harder row to toe on that which is actually you'll find align:start position:0% on that which is actually you'll find align:start position:0% on that which is actually you'll find interest I think in part you'll see a align:start position:0% interest I think in part you'll see a align:start position:0% interest I think in part you'll see a lot more games that are designed for the align:start position:0% lot more games that are designed for the align:start position:0% lot more games that are designed for the 45 minute mark because that's usually I align:start position:0% 45 minute mark because that's usually I align:start position:0% 45 minute mark because that's usually I mean that's the easiest way to iterate a align:start position:0% mean that's the easiest way to iterate a align:start position:0% mean that's the easiest way to iterate a game that's about the time I mean think align:start position:0% game that's about the time I mean think align:start position:0% game that's about the time I mean think about the amount of free time you really align:start position:0% about the amount of free time you really align:start position:0% about the amount of free time you really have in your life well they certainly align:start position:0% have in your life well they certainly align:start position:0% have in your life well they certainly have a lot of different our students but align:start position:0% have a lot of different our students but align:start position:0% have a lot of different our students but even that I mean there's kegs to stand align:start position:0% even that I mean there's kegs to stand align:start position:0% even that I mean there's kegs to stand on and although chess or I don't know align:start position:0% on and although chess or I don't know align:start position:0% on and although chess or I don't know what they do at MIT align:start position:0% align:start position:0% giant robot yeah if you build a robot align:start position:0% giant robot yeah if you build a robot align:start position:0% giant robot yeah if you build a robot cake um sorry I have a dime in my tie align:start position:0% cake um sorry I have a dime in my tie align:start position:0% cake um sorry I have a dime in my tie cuz I'm a professional it's just trying align:start position:0% cuz I'm a professional it's just trying align:start position:0% cuz I'm a professional it's just trying to do that oh there's another important align:start position:0% to do that oh there's another important align:start position:0% to do that oh there's another important thing about being a designer develop a align:start position:0% thing about being a designer develop a align:start position:0% thing about being a designer develop a mental disorder that'll really really align:start position:0% mental disorder that'll really really align:start position:0% mental disorder that'll really really help you get the tiny problems like align:start position:0% help you get the tiny problems like align:start position:0% help you get the tiny problems like dimes in your tire so yeah so half hour align:start position:0% dimes in your tire so yeah so half hour align:start position:0% dimes in your tire so yeah so half hour 45 minute games are kind of becoming the align:start position:0% 45 minute games are kind of becoming the align:start position:0% 45 minute games are kind of becoming the thing as board games become more and align:start position:0% thing as board games become more and align:start position:0% thing as board games become more and more popular in America because they align:start position:0% more popular in America because they align:start position:0% more popular in America because they were always well for the past 25 30 align:start position:0% were always well for the past 25 30 align:start position:0% were always well for the past 25 30 years they were very popular in Europe align:start position:0% years they were very popular in Europe align:start position:0% years they were very popular in Europe and when we're talking about board games align:start position:0% and when we're talking about board games align:start position:0% and when we're talking about board games I think we're not talking about like align:start position:0% I think we're not talking about like align:start position:0% I think we're not talking about like traditional games like monopoly Scrabble align:start position:0% traditional games like monopoly Scrabble align:start position:0% traditional games like monopoly Scrabble you know that kind of early American align:start position:0% you know that kind of early American align:start position:0% you know that kind of early American family board game nice and funny too align:start position:0% family board game nice and funny too align:start position:0% family board game nice and funny too because there's so struggle creaking align:start position:0% because there's so struggle creaking align:start position:0% because there's so struggle creaking there's there's so much like when we align:start position:0% there's there's so much like when we align:start position:0% there's there's so much like when we talk about board games we're talking align:start position:0% talk about board games we're talking align:start position:0% talk about board games we're talking about they're roughly this big we've got align:start position:0% about they're roughly this big we've got align:start position:0% about they're roughly this big we've got the designers name on the box they take align:start position:0% the designers name on the box they take align:start position:0% the designers name on the box they take between like forty five to three hours align:start position:0% between like forty five to three hours align:start position:0% between like forty five to three hours but it excludes things like Warhammer align:start position:0% but it excludes things like Warhammer align:start position:0% but it excludes things like Warhammer yeah different war games there's a whole align:start position:0% yeah different war games there's a whole align:start position:0% yeah different war games there's a whole whole other cultures out there which I'm align:start position:0% whole other cultures out there which I'm align:start position:0% whole other cultures out there which I'm really cool but like when we say board align:start position:0% really cool but like when we say board align:start position:0% really cool but like when we say board games we're talking about that and again align:start position:0% games we're talking about that and again align:start position:0% games we're talking about that and again like and that's the difference from say align:start position:0% like and that's the difference from say align:start position:0% like and that's the difference from say like I like to use the term tabletop align:start position:0% like I like to use the term tabletop align:start position:0% like I like to use the term tabletop games align:start position:0% games align:start position:0% games but I'll expand that that really far I align:start position:0% but I'll expand that that really far I align:start position:0% but I'll expand that that really far I do the tabletop producing for the Boston align:start position:0% do the tabletop producing for the Boston align:start position:0% do the tabletop producing for the Boston Festival indie games which is coming up align:start position:0% Festival indie games which is coming up align:start position:0% Festival indie games which is coming up in September align:start position:0% in September align:start position:0% in September that's she talked about that skating align:start position:0% that's she talked about that skating align:start position:0% that's she talked about that skating like a hockey rink and where I'm gonna align:start position:0% like a hockey rink and where I'm gonna align:start position:0% like a hockey rink and where I'm gonna fill it up with indie games I don't know align:start position:0% fill it up with indie games I don't know align:start position:0% fill it up with indie games I don't know much more than that we just open yes align:start position:0% align:start position:0% well one of the thing one of the align:start position:0% well one of the thing one of the align:start position:0% well one of the thing one of the differences from last year that that align:start position:0% differences from last year that that align:start position:0% differences from last year that that when I came on board this is my first align:start position:0% when I came on board this is my first align:start position:0% when I came on board this is my first year doing it I really wanted the stress align:start position:0% year doing it I really wanted the stress align:start position:0% year doing it I really wanted the stress was that the tabletop game or an analog align:start position:0% was that the tabletop game or an analog align:start position:0% was that the tabletop game or an analog game is is something is a different term align:start position:0% game is is something is a different term align:start position:0% game is is something is a different term than a than a board game right a board align:start position:0% than a than a board game right a board align:start position:0% than a than a board game right a board game is very literally something with a align:start position:0% game is very literally something with a align:start position:0% game is very literally something with a board but a tabletop game I'll stretch align:start position:0% board but a tabletop game I'll stretch align:start position:0% board but a tabletop game I'll stretch that and say you know card games or align:start position:0% that and say you know card games or align:start position:0% that and say you know card games or tabletop games role-playing games or align:start position:0% tabletop games role-playing games or align:start position:0% tabletop games role-playing games or tabletop games like you could be playing align:start position:0% tabletop games like you could be playing align:start position:0% tabletop games like you could be playing the crunchiest most globnar D&D crack align:start position:0% the crunchiest most globnar D&D crack align:start position:0% the crunchiest most globnar D&D crack nerds a term for align:start position:0% nerds a term for align:start position:0% nerds a term for it's a French term for curmudgeonly old align:start position:0% it's a French term for curmudgeonly old align:start position:0% it's a French term for curmudgeonly old guys that's basically I think it align:start position:0% guys that's basically I think it align:start position:0% guys that's basically I think it actually is about generals or something align:start position:0% actually is about generals or something align:start position:0% actually is about generals or something they're the worst so so like apples to align:start position:0% they're the worst so so like apples to align:start position:0% they're the worst so so like apples to apples is a tabletop game what's the align:start position:0% apples is a tabletop game what's the align:start position:0% apples is a tabletop game what's the game where you're pulling out the sticks align:start position:0% game where you're pulling out the sticks align:start position:0% game where you're pulling out the sticks and the marvels fall down oh kerplunk align:start position:0% and the marvels fall down oh kerplunk align:start position:0% and the marvels fall down oh kerplunk god I love that game kerplunk is a align:start position:0% god I love that game kerplunk is a align:start position:0% god I love that game kerplunk is a tabletop game Domino's is a tabletop align:start position:0% tabletop game Domino's is a tabletop align:start position:0% tabletop game Domino's is a tabletop game bocce ball is not a tabletop game align:start position:0% game bocce ball is not a tabletop game align:start position:0% game bocce ball is not a tabletop game but it's great but also like you know if align:start position:0% but it's great but also like you know if align:start position:0% but it's great but also like you know if role-playing games are tabletop games as align:start position:0% role-playing games are tabletop games as align:start position:0% role-playing games are tabletop games as I've been a LARP is a tabletop game align:start position:0% I've been a LARP is a tabletop game align:start position:0% I've been a LARP is a tabletop game because a LARP is just a role-playing align:start position:0% because a LARP is just a role-playing align:start position:0% because a LARP is just a role-playing game without dice and if larcs are align:start position:0% game without dice and if larcs are align:start position:0% game without dice and if larcs are tabletop games then how about a align:start position:0% tabletop games then how about a align:start position:0% tabletop games then how about a technically dexterity games well if align:start position:0% technically dexterity games well if align:start position:0% technically dexterity games well if you're doing popper alarm but if you're align:start position:0% you're doing popper alarm but if you're align:start position:0% you're doing popper alarm but if you're doing something like Nordic LARP which align:start position:0% doing something like Nordic LARP which align:start position:0% doing something like Nordic LARP which is a brand of live-action role-playing align:start position:0% is a brand of live-action role-playing align:start position:0% is a brand of live-action role-playing from Norway Sweden and Finland I was at align:start position:0% from Norway Sweden and Finland I was at align:start position:0% from Norway Sweden and Finland I was at a convention with those people I see align:start position:0% a convention with those people I see align:start position:0% a convention with those people I see last week and they are hilarious the align:start position:0% last week and they are hilarious the align:start position:0% last week and they are hilarious the ones the only one that I know is that align:start position:0% ones the only one that I know is that align:start position:0% ones the only one that I know is that they do there's a Battlestar Galactica align:start position:0% they do there's a Battlestar Galactica align:start position:0% they do there's a Battlestar Galactica where they actually they rent out and align:start position:0% where they actually they rent out and align:start position:0% where they actually they rent out and old like battleship your battleship for align:start position:0% old like battleship your battleship for align:start position:0% old like battleship your battleship for the woody cabinet for a weekend and yeah align:start position:0% the woody cabinet for a weekend and yeah align:start position:0% the woody cabinet for a weekend and yeah they just they go and they clear this align:start position:0% they just they go and they clear this align:start position:0% they just they go and they clear this game on like out on frigid waters and align:start position:0% game on like out on frigid waters and align:start position:0% game on like out on frigid waters and military bunkers playing a Battlestar align:start position:0% military bunkers playing a Battlestar align:start position:0% military bunkers playing a Battlestar Galactica themed yeah live-action role align:start position:0% Galactica themed yeah live-action role align:start position:0% Galactica themed yeah live-action role so it is a role-playing game but it's align:start position:0% so it is a role-playing game but it's align:start position:0% so it is a role-playing game but it's also kind of like a interactive theatre align:start position:0% also kind of like a interactive theatre align:start position:0% also kind of like a interactive theatre performance that game was crazy align:start position:0% performance that game was crazy align:start position:0% performance that game was crazy apparently because they did die so there align:start position:0% apparently because they did die so there align:start position:0% apparently because they did die so there is every familiar Battlestar Galactica align:start position:0% is every familiar Battlestar Galactica align:start position:0% is every familiar Battlestar Galactica okay so there's robots and they look align:start position:0% okay so there's robots and they look align:start position:0% okay so there's robots and they look like people so they had it was the align:start position:0% like people so they had it was the align:start position:0% like people so they had it was the Battlestar Galactica and then they had align:start position:0% Battlestar Galactica and then they had align:start position:0% Battlestar Galactica and then they had people who were Cylons who were agents align:start position:0% people who were Cylons who were agents align:start position:0% people who were Cylons who were agents and then anyone who was wearing red was align:start position:0% and then anyone who was wearing red was align:start position:0% and then anyone who was wearing red was a hallucination and could only be seen align:start position:0% a hallucination and could only be seen align:start position:0% a hallucination and could only be seen by specific characters so on the second align:start position:0% by specific characters so on the second align:start position:0% by specific characters so on the second day of the LARP and this is like a three align:start position:0% day of the LARP and this is like a three align:start position:0% day of the LARP and this is like a three day thing you freaking sleep on this align:start position:0% day thing you freaking sleep on this align:start position:0% day thing you freaking sleep on this battleship and everybody's in character align:start position:0% battleship and everybody's in character align:start position:0% battleship and everybody's in character the whole time on the second day of the align:start position:0% the whole time on the second day of the align:start position:0% the whole time on the second day of the LARP one of the guys who was in red who align:start position:0% LARP one of the guys who was in red who align:start position:0% LARP one of the guys who was in red who is part of the plot as a hallucination align:start position:0% is part of the plot as a hallucination align:start position:0% is part of the plot as a hallucination they brought his twin brother in nobody align:start position:0% they brought his twin brother in nobody align:start position:0% they brought his twin brother in nobody else knew align:start position:0% else knew align:start position:0% else knew that you had a twin brother so all of a align:start position:0% that you had a twin brother so all of a align:start position:0% that you had a twin brother so all of a sudden there's two identical align:start position:0% sudden there's two identical align:start position:0% sudden there's two identical hallucinations wanderer on the ship and align:start position:0% hallucinations wanderer on the ship and align:start position:0% hallucinations wanderer on the ship and everything flipping their words align:start position:0% align:start position:0% so I guess I'm thinking that if we could align:start position:0% so I guess I'm thinking that if we could align:start position:0% so I guess I'm thinking that if we could rent a battleship for Boston but like align:start position:0% rent a battleship for Boston but like align:start position:0% rent a battleship for Boston but like that's you know and then like games like align:start position:0% that's you know and then like games like align:start position:0% that's you know and then like games like johann sebastian jealous which is a align:start position:0% johann sebastian jealous which is a align:start position:0% johann sebastian jealous which is a digital game but is it really a digital align:start position:0% digital game but is it really a digital align:start position:0% digital game but is it really a digital game it's really kind of like tau i align:start position:0% game it's really kind of like tau i align:start position:0% game it's really kind of like tau i didn't say was it space team team and align:start position:0% didn't say was it space team team and align:start position:0% didn't say was it space team team and all iOS game you played by basically align:start position:0% all iOS game you played by basically align:start position:0% all iOS game you played by basically even user interface you have to press align:start position:0% even user interface you have to press align:start position:0% even user interface you have to press buttons before it runs out unfortunately align:start position:0% buttons before it runs out unfortunately align:start position:0% buttons before it runs out unfortunately what buttons you have to press it's not align:start position:0% what buttons you have to press it's not align:start position:0% what buttons you have to press it's not on your screen but on someone else's align:start position:0% on your screen but on someone else's align:start position:0% on your screen but on someone else's screen so they'll tell you to flash the align:start position:0% screen so they'll tell you to flash the align:start position:0% screen so they'll tell you to flash the paper screw and you'll look understand align:start position:0% paper screw and you'll look understand align:start position:0% paper screw and you'll look understand you're like do I have this paper screen align:start position:0% you're like do I have this paper screen align:start position:0% you're like do I have this paper screen of flash but at the same time is that a align:start position:0% of flash but at the same time is that a align:start position:0% of flash but at the same time is that a game because there's not really much to align:start position:0% game because there's not really much to align:start position:0% game because there's not really much to it in terms of the digital aspect so align:start position:0% it in terms of the digital aspect so align:start position:0% it in terms of the digital aspect so much is that it's a timer and you have align:start position:0% much is that it's a timer and you have align:start position:0% much is that it's a timer and you have to press buttons at the right time like align:start position:0% to press buttons at the right time like align:start position:0% to press buttons at the right time like you make it analog you could make a long align:start position:0% you make it analog you could make a long align:start position:0% you make it analog you could make a long version of that all these different align:start position:0% version of that all these different align:start position:0% version of that all these different categories all these different markets align:start position:0% categories all these different markets align:start position:0% categories all these different markets you think of how are you exploring that align:start position:0% you think of how are you exploring that align:start position:0% you think of how are you exploring that are you marketing your games like what align:start position:0% are you marketing your games like what align:start position:0% are you marketing your games like what are you marketing your game times what align:start position:0% are you marketing your game times what align:start position:0% are you marketing your game times what are you certainly when we say kind of align:start position:0% are you certainly when we say kind of align:start position:0% are you certainly when we say kind of organs you mean like against the box align:start position:0% organs you mean like against the box align:start position:0% organs you mean like against the box about JPEG which is in this in this align:start position:0% about JPEG which is in this in this align:start position:0% about JPEG which is in this in this instance I call it the hobby industry align:start position:0% instance I call it the hobby industry align:start position:0% instance I call it the hobby industry though there's a lot of very nebulous align:start position:0% though there's a lot of very nebulous align:start position:0% though there's a lot of very nebulous terms of what that falls under but the align:start position:0% terms of what that falls under but the align:start position:0% terms of what that falls under but the hobby industry would but what is align:start position:0% hobby industry would but what is align:start position:0% hobby industry would but what is separate from the toy industry which I align:start position:0% separate from the toy industry which I align:start position:0% separate from the toy industry which I was actually at Toy Fair yeah in New align:start position:0% was actually at Toy Fair yeah in New align:start position:0% was actually at Toy Fair yeah in New York grass most mostly I actually just align:start position:0% York grass most mostly I actually just align:start position:0% York grass most mostly I actually just wrote an article on my blog about there align:start position:0% wrote an article on my blog about there align:start position:0% wrote an article on my blog about there is between a game inventor a game align:start position:0% is between a game inventor a game align:start position:0% is between a game inventor a game designer and a game writer and how it align:start position:0% designer and a game writer and how it align:start position:0% designer and a game writer and how it separates out the different industries align:start position:0% separates out the different industries align:start position:0% separates out the different industries that are out there but for myself align:start position:0% that are out there but for myself align:start position:0% that are out there but for myself personally our our kind of industry and align:start position:0% personally our our kind of industry and align:start position:0% personally our our kind of industry and where we're hoping that we're seeing the align:start position:0% where we're hoping that we're seeing the align:start position:0% where we're hoping that we're seeing the most align:start position:0% most align:start position:0% most growth is appealing to people that are align:start position:0% growth is appealing to people that are align:start position:0% growth is appealing to people that are mostly on social media a lot of people align:start position:0% mostly on social media a lot of people align:start position:0% mostly on social media a lot of people that are really into Kickstarter and align:start position:0% that are really into Kickstarter and align:start position:0% that are really into Kickstarter and very independent somatic games that are align:start position:0% very independent somatic games that are align:start position:0% very independent somatic games that are both themselves somatically interesting align:start position:0% both themselves somatically interesting align:start position:0% both themselves somatically interesting as well as the systems that are within align:start position:0% as well as the systems that are within align:start position:0% as well as the systems that are within them are fair and balanced and are align:start position:0% them are fair and balanced and are align:start position:0% them are fair and balanced and are worthwhile to do so my strategy is align:start position:0% worthwhile to do so my strategy is align:start position:0% worthwhile to do so my strategy is actually to initiate my kicks arse in align:start position:0% actually to initiate my kicks arse in align:start position:0% actually to initiate my kicks arse in about six months and in that time I'm align:start position:0% about six months and in that time I'm align:start position:0% about six months and in that time I'm going to be creating a transmedia align:start position:0% going to be creating a transmedia align:start position:0% going to be creating a transmedia storytelling ad campaign that will take align:start position:0% storytelling ad campaign that will take align:start position:0% storytelling ad campaign that will take the theme of the game turn it into sort align:start position:0% the theme of the game turn it into sort align:start position:0% the theme of the game turn it into sort of a story and then promote that as well align:start position:0% of a story and then promote that as well align:start position:0% of a story and then promote that as well as talking about the general design as a align:start position:0% as talking about the general design as a align:start position:0% as talking about the general design as a results hoping to engage social media align:start position:0% results hoping to engage social media align:start position:0% results hoping to engage social media networks that will then generate the add align:start position:0% networks that will then generate the add align:start position:0% networks that will then generate the add the needed buzz or when the Kickstarter align:start position:0% the needed buzz or when the Kickstarter align:start position:0% the needed buzz or when the Kickstarter campaign actually watches a lot of a lot align:start position:0% campaign actually watches a lot of a lot align:start position:0% campaign actually watches a lot of a lot of fundraising has less to do with what align:start position:0% of fundraising has less to do with what align:start position:0% of fundraising has less to do with what you're making and more to do with what align:start position:0% you're making and more to do with what align:start position:0% you're making and more to do with what you can conceivably accomplish in align:start position:0% you can conceivably accomplish in align:start position:0% you can conceivably accomplish in marketing right so so if you have no align:start position:0% marketing right so so if you have no align:start position:0% marketing right so so if you have no budget you have to rely on certain align:start position:0% budget you have to rely on certain align:start position:0% budget you have to rely on certain marketing techniques as opposed to align:start position:0% marketing techniques as opposed to align:start position:0% marketing techniques as opposed to others it's not a lot of people who have align:start position:0% others it's not a lot of people who have align:start position:0% others it's not a lot of people who have no budget like to think that like a align:start position:0% no budget like to think that like a align:start position:0% no budget like to think that like a commercials don't work that's stupid no align:start position:0% commercials don't work that's stupid no align:start position:0% commercials don't work that's stupid no why would anybody do that as a way of align:start position:0% why would anybody do that as a way of align:start position:0% why would anybody do that as a way of kind of convincing themselves that align:start position:0% kind of convincing themselves that align:start position:0% kind of convincing themselves that they've made like a noble choice tonight align:start position:0% they've made like a noble choice tonight align:start position:0% they've made like a noble choice tonight they just didn't have the money align:start position:0% they just didn't have the money align:start position:0% they just didn't have the money sometimes commercials really work like align:start position:0% sometimes commercials really work like align:start position:0% sometimes commercials really work like for instance as I was tutoring on my way align:start position:0% for instance as I was tutoring on my way align:start position:0% for instance as I was tutoring on my way down here I relaunched a Google AdWords align:start position:0% down here I relaunched a Google AdWords align:start position:0% down here I relaunched a Google AdWords campaign for our game slash because now align:start position:0% campaign for our game slash because now align:start position:0% campaign for our game slash because now I can fulfill orders for it using align:start position:0% I can fulfill orders for it using align:start position:0% I can fulfill orders for it using multiple marketing vectors in order to align:start position:0% multiple marketing vectors in order to align:start position:0% multiple marketing vectors in order to get people interested in your project is align:start position:0% get people interested in your project is align:start position:0% get people interested in your project is really really important especially align:start position:0% really really important especially align:start position:0% really really important especially because the means it's a very align:start position:0% because the means it's a very align:start position:0% because the means it's a very competitive space it is an industry that align:start position:0% competitive space it is an industry that align:start position:0% competitive space it is an industry that it's like a hobby and toy industry was align:start position:0% it's like a hobby and toy industry was align:start position:0% it's like a hobby and toy industry was like six point 1 billion dollars last align:start position:0% like six point 1 billion dollars last align:start position:0% like six point 1 billion dollars last year this is not insignificant pittance align:start position:0% year this is not insignificant pittance align:start position:0% year this is not insignificant pittance video games but unlike video games it is align:start position:0% video games but unlike video games it is align:start position:0% video games but unlike video games it is an industry that has grown 11% on align:start position:0% an industry that has grown 11% on align:start position:0% an industry that has grown 11% on average for the year over year for the align:start position:0% average for the year over year for the align:start position:0% average for the year over year for the past five years and then align:start position:0% past five years and then align:start position:0% past five years and then before that it was even there was even align:start position:0% before that it was even there was even align:start position:0% before that it was even there was even growing more so than that no no is that align:start position:0% growing more so than that no no is that align:start position:0% growing more so than that no no is that it's actually gone up but it's predicted align:start position:0% it's actually gone up but it's predicted align:start position:0% it's actually gone up but it's predicted in 2018 - I just got you know I take it align:start position:0% in 2018 - I just got you know I take it align:start position:0% in 2018 - I just got you know I take it real serious so it's a very fast growing align:start position:0% real serious so it's a very fast growing align:start position:0% real serious so it's a very fast growing industry because there's space in align:start position:0% industry because there's space in align:start position:0% industry because there's space in America for it it's not as fast growing align:start position:0% America for it it's not as fast growing align:start position:0% America for it it's not as fast growing in Europe because that's already a align:start position:0% in Europe because that's already a align:start position:0% in Europe because that's already a supersaturated market but stuff like align:start position:0% supersaturated market but stuff like align:start position:0% supersaturated market but stuff like Kickstarter patreon and IndieGoGo even align:start position:0% Kickstarter patreon and IndieGoGo even align:start position:0% Kickstarter patreon and IndieGoGo even just going to shows and selling your align:start position:0% just going to shows and selling your align:start position:0% just going to shows and selling your wares which is actually really the best align:start position:0% wares which is actually really the best align:start position:0% wares which is actually really the best way to do it the way that you get people align:start position:0% way to do it the way that you get people align:start position:0% way to do it the way that you get people to come to them is to find the align:start position:0% to come to them is to find the align:start position:0% to come to them is to find the audience's that are that are already align:start position:0% audience's that are that are already align:start position:0% audience's that are that are already keyed into that they like the idea of align:start position:0% keyed into that they like the idea of align:start position:0% keyed into that they like the idea of I'm helping a person make a thing you align:start position:0% I'm helping a person make a thing you align:start position:0% I'm helping a person make a thing you know I'm I'm not investing but I'm I'm align:start position:0% know I'm I'm not investing but I'm I'm align:start position:0% know I'm I'm not investing but I'm I'm kind of like pre-ordering this thing so align:start position:0% kind of like pre-ordering this thing so align:start position:0% kind of like pre-ordering this thing so you gotta identify what those markets align:start position:0% you gotta identify what those markets align:start position:0% you gotta identify what those markets are and find the best ways to get to align:start position:0% are and find the best ways to get to align:start position:0% are and find the best ways to get to them and convince them to throw money align:start position:0% them and convince them to throw money align:start position:0% them and convince them to throw money down a hole called Kickstarter because align:start position:0% down a hole called Kickstarter because align:start position:0% down a hole called Kickstarter because not everything that Kickstarter gets align:start position:0% not everything that Kickstarter gets align:start position:0% not everything that Kickstarter gets funded and not everything that gets align:start position:0% funded and not everything that gets align:start position:0% funded and not everything that gets funded on Kickstarter gets done and then align:start position:0% funded on Kickstarter gets done and then align:start position:0% funded on Kickstarter gets done and then there's many of the things that get align:start position:0% there's many of the things that get align:start position:0% there's many of the things that get funded and get done are crap because align:start position:0% funded and get done are crap because align:start position:0% funded and get done are crap because unfortunately to report that a little align:start position:0% unfortunately to report that a little align:start position:0% unfortunately to report that a little bit like you said like it's a growing align:start position:0% bit like you said like it's a growing align:start position:0% bit like you said like it's a growing growing industry so like to get into align:start position:0% growing industry so like to get into align:start position:0% growing industry so like to get into so the Hobby games is a growing industry align:start position:0% so the Hobby games is a growing industry align:start position:0% so the Hobby games is a growing industry as opposed to the toy industry so if align:start position:0% as opposed to the toy industry so if align:start position:0% as opposed to the toy industry so if you're trying to get your games - like align:start position:0% you're trying to get your games - like align:start position:0% you're trying to get your games - like Hasbro or I can say Parker Brothers but align:start position:0% Hasbro or I can say Parker Brothers but align:start position:0% Hasbro or I can say Parker Brothers but anything else doesn't ultimately leads align:start position:0% anything else doesn't ultimately leads align:start position:0% anything else doesn't ultimately leads back to Hasbro yeah cuz has groans whaat align:start position:0% back to Hasbro yeah cuz has groans whaat align:start position:0% back to Hasbro yeah cuz has groans whaat see yeah but anything you want to get align:start position:0% see yeah but anything you want to get align:start position:0% see yeah but anything you want to get like you came into Toys R Us is that at align:start position:0% like you came into Toys R Us is that at align:start position:0% like you came into Toys R Us is that at that point that industry is pretty align:start position:0% that point that industry is pretty align:start position:0% that point that industry is pretty static yeah so as a result it's very align:start position:0% static yeah so as a result it's very align:start position:0% static yeah so as a result it's very hard to get like known or mentioned or align:start position:0% hard to get like known or mentioned or align:start position:0% hard to get like known or mentioned or and at all in that but because the Hobby align:start position:0% and at all in that but because the Hobby align:start position:0% and at all in that but because the Hobby games industry is growing there's more align:start position:0% games industry is growing there's more align:start position:0% games industry is growing there's more and more people that are kind of looking align:start position:0% and more people that are kind of looking align:start position:0% and more people that are kind of looking for the ground floor yeah and as a align:start position:0% for the ground floor yeah and as a align:start position:0% for the ground floor yeah and as a result if you can kind of get your foot align:start position:0% result if you can kind of get your foot align:start position:0% result if you can kind of get your foot in make a little brand for yours align:start position:0% in make a little brand for yours align:start position:0% in make a little brand for yours get your name out there then when you align:start position:0% get your name out there then when you align:start position:0% get your name out there then when you actually do start making games people align:start position:0% actually do start making games people align:start position:0% actually do start making games people who are recognizing and you'll be able align:start position:0% who are recognizing and you'll be able align:start position:0% who are recognizing and you'll be able to kind of market yourself as a brand align:start position:0% to kind of market yourself as a brand align:start position:0% to kind of market yourself as a brand again that's probably one of the most align:start position:0% again that's probably one of the most align:start position:0% again that's probably one of the most important things that and the only align:start position:0% important things that and the only align:start position:0% important things that and the only reason this is possible is because game align:start position:0% reason this is possible is because game align:start position:0% reason this is possible is because game designers started putting their names on align:start position:0% designers started putting their names on align:start position:0% designers started putting their names on the box we talk about designers so let's align:start position:0% the box we talk about designers so let's align:start position:0% the box we talk about designers so let's talk about like rain or knizia one of align:start position:0% talk about like rain or knizia one of align:start position:0% talk about like rain or knizia one of the most prolific game designers not all align:start position:0% the most prolific game designers not all align:start position:0% the most prolific game designers not all the great work great but his name is align:start position:0% the great work great but his name is align:start position:0% the great work great but his name is kind of known in the Hobby game industry align:start position:0% kind of known in the Hobby game industry align:start position:0% kind of known in the Hobby game industry because dudes designed like 300 games align:start position:0% because dudes designed like 300 games align:start position:0% because dudes designed like 300 games and actually had them all published and align:start position:0% and actually had them all published and align:start position:0% and actually had them all published and as a result like when you see rain or align:start position:0% as a result like when you see rain or align:start position:0% as a result like when you see rain or newzeas name on a box you're gonna start align:start position:0% newzeas name on a box you're gonna start align:start position:0% newzeas name on a box you're gonna start to kind of recognize that a little bit align:start position:0% to kind of recognize that a little bit align:start position:0% to kind of recognize that a little bit when you're able to generate but they're align:start position:0% when you're able to generate but they're align:start position:0% when you're able to generate but they're not all good align:start position:0% not all good align:start position:0% not all good no they're all good but you're gonna did align:start position:0% no they're all good but you're gonna did align:start position:0% no they're all good but you're gonna did that reading is a great initiative I align:start position:0% that reading is a great initiative I align:start position:0% that reading is a great initiative I mean he created a brand for himself just align:start position:0% mean he created a brand for himself just align:start position:0% mean he created a brand for himself just like um you know video game companies do align:start position:0% like um you know video game companies do align:start position:0% like um you know video game companies do or or labels in music music industry you align:start position:0% or or labels in music music industry you align:start position:0% or or labels in music music industry you guys we're used to exist yeah so I think align:start position:0% guys we're used to exist yeah so I think align:start position:0% guys we're used to exist yeah so I think the the interesting thing about the the align:start position:0% the the interesting thing about the the align:start position:0% the the interesting thing about the the market and being able to have that have align:start position:0% market and being able to have that have align:start position:0% market and being able to have that have that personal brand as a designer is align:start position:0% that personal brand as a designer is align:start position:0% that personal brand as a designer is really important because the the people align:start position:0% really important because the the people align:start position:0% really important because the the people who are playing board games right now align:start position:0% who are playing board games right now align:start position:0% who are playing board games right now and the growing market are I guess align:start position:0% and the growing market are I guess align:start position:0% and the growing market are I guess they're iconoclastic people they're you align:start position:0% they're iconoclastic people they're you align:start position:0% they're iconoclastic people they're you know they're hey we're all individual align:start position:0% know they're hey we're all individual align:start position:0% know they're hey we're all individual types but you know they're all we're align:start position:0% types but you know they're all we're align:start position:0% types but you know they're all we're really big in a geek culture and then align:start position:0% really big in a geek culture and then align:start position:0% really big in a geek culture and then they you know geek culture is bringing align:start position:0% they you know geek culture is bringing align:start position:0% they you know geek culture is bringing seventy five thousand people here this align:start position:0% seventy five thousand people here this align:start position:0% seventy five thousand people here this weekend so maybe it's not as marginal as align:start position:0% weekend so maybe it's not as marginal as align:start position:0% weekend so maybe it's not as marginal as we like to think that it is but it is a align:start position:0% we like to think that it is but it is a align:start position:0% we like to think that it is but it is a it is a market that values individuality align:start position:0% it is a market that values individuality align:start position:0% it is a market that values individuality and individual productivity so finding align:start position:0% and individual productivity so finding align:start position:0% and individual productivity so finding the ways to market to those people align:start position:0% the ways to market to those people align:start position:0% the ways to market to those people directly can often be really rewarding align:start position:0% directly can often be really rewarding align:start position:0% directly can often be really rewarding especially if you're putting your face align:start position:0% especially if you're putting your face align:start position:0% especially if you're putting your face on what you're doing another another align:start position:0% on what you're doing another another align:start position:0% on what you're doing another another example is a Daniel soleus align:start position:0% example is a Daniel soleus align:start position:0% example is a Daniel soleus down in North Carolina North Carolina align:start position:0% down in North Carolina North Carolina align:start position:0% down in North Carolina North Carolina for the longest time I mean he was a align:start position:0% for the longest time I mean he was a align:start position:0% for the longest time I mean he was a graphic graphic designer but he started align:start position:0% graphic graphic designer but he started align:start position:0% graphic graphic designer but he started sort of a board game long that he just align:start position:0% sort of a board game long that he just align:start position:0% sort of a board game long that he just talked about sort of an expertise in align:start position:0% talked about sort of an expertise in align:start position:0% talked about sort of an expertise in designing the one game is Egypt he's a align:start position:0% designing the one game is Egypt he's a align:start position:0% designing the one game is Egypt he's a very prolific guy and he does a lot of align:start position:0% very prolific guy and he does a lot of align:start position:0% very prolific guy and he does a lot of stuff that's just completely open-source align:start position:0% stuff that's just completely open-source align:start position:0% stuff that's just completely open-source great we play games but as he actually I align:start position:0% great we play games but as he actually I align:start position:0% great we play games but as he actually I I so he works out of this house like I align:start position:0% I so he works out of this house like I align:start position:0% I so he works out of this house like I do and we actually do any conference align:start position:0% do and we actually do any conference align:start position:0% do and we actually do any conference call every morning with a number of align:start position:0% call every morning with a number of align:start position:0% call every morning with a number of other designers I was wondering how do align:start position:0% other designers I was wondering how do align:start position:0% other designers I was wondering how do you do yeah and he just released you align:start position:0% you do yeah and he just released you align:start position:0% you do yeah and he just released you guys are on fire flooding that's yeah so align:start position:0% guys are on fire flooding that's yeah so align:start position:0% guys are on fire flooding that's yeah so he just did the layout for like his align:start position:0% he just did the layout for like his align:start position:0% he just did the layout for like his normal job is doing graphic design of align:start position:0% normal job is doing graphic design of align:start position:0% normal job is doing graphic design of the lamp or something so he just laid align:start position:0% the lamp or something so he just laid align:start position:0% the lamp or something so he just laid out the Firefly RPG which is available align:start position:0% out the Firefly RPG which is available align:start position:0% out the Firefly RPG which is available for download now as PDF but that's so he align:start position:0% for download now as PDF but that's so he align:start position:0% for download now as PDF but that's so he does that and then he has this whole I'm align:start position:0% does that and then he has this whole I'm align:start position:0% does that and then he has this whole I'm gonna make games a lot and put them up align:start position:0% gonna make games a lot and put them up align:start position:0% gonna make games a lot and put them up on drive through cards which is an align:start position:0% on drive through cards which is an align:start position:0% on drive through cards which is an online service that allows you to do align:start position:0% online service that allows you to do align:start position:0% online service that allows you to do print on demand which is another one of align:start position:0% print on demand which is another one of align:start position:0% print on demand which is another one of the things that in the past year has align:start position:0% the things that in the past year has align:start position:0% the things that in the past year has kind of really shaken up the the board align:start position:0% kind of really shaken up the the board align:start position:0% kind of really shaken up the the board gaming industry and there used to not be align:start position:0% gaming industry and there used to not be align:start position:0% gaming industry and there used to not be able to get anything done those you're align:start position:0% able to get anything done those you're align:start position:0% able to get anything done those you're going to be 3,000 copies of it but now I align:start position:0% going to be 3,000 copies of it but now I align:start position:0% going to be 3,000 copies of it but now I can make a game put it up on drive your align:start position:0% can make a game put it up on drive your align:start position:0% can make a game put it up on drive your cards and then you can go spend ten align:start position:0% cards and then you can go spend ten align:start position:0% cards and then you can go spend ten bucks and download it or you they would align:start position:0% bucks and download it or you they would align:start position:0% bucks and download it or you they would actually send it you're looking at align:start position:0% actually send it you're looking at align:start position:0% actually send it you're looking at individual or anything but again some of align:start position:0% individual or anything but again some of align:start position:0% individual or anything but again some of the some of the clever bit is though so align:start position:0% the some of the clever bit is though so align:start position:0% the some of the clever bit is though so Ganga Souls he's doing all this sort of align:start position:0% Ganga Souls he's doing all this sort of align:start position:0% Ganga Souls he's doing all this sort of stuff I'm just sort of i presenting align:start position:0% stuff I'm just sort of i presenting align:start position:0% stuff I'm just sort of i presenting himself as an expert created a brand of align:start position:0% himself as an expert created a brand of align:start position:0% himself as an expert created a brand of himself actually I brought them up two align:start position:0% himself actually I brought them up two align:start position:0% himself actually I brought them up two packs last year as an as an expert align:start position:0% packs last year as an as an expert align:start position:0% packs last year as an as an expert about six months ago ran a Kickstarter align:start position:0% about six months ago ran a Kickstarter align:start position:0% about six months ago ran a Kickstarter for belle of the ball and he leveraged align:start position:0% for belle of the ball and he leveraged align:start position:0% for belle of the ball and he leveraged some of his connections and the game align:start position:0% some of his connections and the game align:start position:0% some of his connections and the game itself is very good but the Kickstarter align:start position:0% itself is very good but the Kickstarter align:start position:0% itself is very good but the Kickstarter was wildly successful I think he got align:start position:0% was wildly successful I think he got align:start position:0% was wildly successful I think he got something like three times what he asked align:start position:0% something like three times what he asked align:start position:0% something like three times what he asked for just in terms of kick starting the align:start position:0% for just in terms of kick starting the align:start position:0% for just in terms of kick starting the game and as a result of belief a lot of align:start position:0% game and as a result of belief a lot of align:start position:0% game and as a result of belief a lot of his connections and leveraging his brand align:start position:0% his connections and leveraging his brand align:start position:0% his connections and leveraging his brand as an expert I think at some point in align:start position:0% as an expert I think at some point in align:start position:0% as an expert I think at some point in said I think five thousand Twitter align:start position:0% said I think five thousand Twitter align:start position:0% said I think five thousand Twitter followers a decent blog presence and as align:start position:0% followers a decent blog presence and as align:start position:0% followers a decent blog presence and as a result having that before he launched align:start position:0% a result having that before he launched align:start position:0% a result having that before he launched as a Kickstarter or sort of starts to align:start position:0% as a Kickstarter or sort of starts to align:start position:0% as a Kickstarter or sort of starts to generate pre-sales for a board game that align:start position:0% generate pre-sales for a board game that align:start position:0% generate pre-sales for a board game that he's going to do much better and the align:start position:0% he's going to do much better and the align:start position:0% he's going to do much better and the effort that he puts into it is really align:start position:0% effort that he puts into it is really align:start position:0% effort that he puts into it is really just talking about board games putting align:start position:0% just talking about board games putting align:start position:0% just talking about board games putting information for free online and align:start position:0% information for free online and align:start position:0% information for free online and establishing yourself as an expert so align:start position:0% establishing yourself as an expert so align:start position:0% establishing yourself as an expert so all these crowdfunding models like there align:start position:0% all these crowdfunding models like there align:start position:0% all these crowdfunding models like there is a little bit of precedent in a align:start position:0% is a little bit of precedent in a align:start position:0% is a little bit of precedent in a publisher but Europe in who's like GMT align:start position:0% publisher but Europe in who's like GMT align:start position:0% publisher but Europe in who's like GMT but for the most part a fairly recent align:start position:0% but for the most part a fairly recent align:start position:0% but for the most part a fairly recent development because we'll be waiting to align:start position:0% development because we'll be waiting to align:start position:0% development because we'll be waiting to give align:start position:0% give align:start position:0% give like I'm assuming that your interaction align:start position:0% like I'm assuming that your interaction align:start position:0% like I'm assuming that your interaction that mostly with the end buyer the align:start position:0% that mostly with the end buyer the align:start position:0% that mostly with the end buyer the president actually end up playing the align:start position:0% president actually end up playing the align:start position:0% president actually end up playing the game align:start position:0% game align:start position:0% game what is this leaves a role stores they align:start position:0% what is this leaves a role stores they align:start position:0% what is this leaves a role stores they especially help me do this stores hey if align:start position:0% especially help me do this stores hey if align:start position:0% especially help me do this stores hey if you also work at a games against or align:start position:0% you also work at a games against or align:start position:0% you also work at a games against or Eureka puzzles and down in Brookline and align:start position:0% Eureka puzzles and down in Brookline and align:start position:0% Eureka puzzles and down in Brookline and that's that's an interesting function as align:start position:0% that's that's an interesting function as align:start position:0% that's that's an interesting function as well if you do a little bit of Reese align:start position:0% well if you do a little bit of Reese align:start position:0% well if you do a little bit of Reese research in general retail stores not align:start position:0% research in general retail stores not align:start position:0% research in general retail stores not just more game sorts but anywhere that align:start position:0% just more game sorts but anywhere that align:start position:0% just more game sorts but anywhere that sells things is sort of taking a align:start position:0% sells things is sort of taking a align:start position:0% sells things is sort of taking a nosedive as an industry which is kind of align:start position:0% nosedive as an industry which is kind of align:start position:0% nosedive as an industry which is kind of hard to imagine just stores selling align:start position:0% hard to imagine just stores selling align:start position:0% hard to imagine just stores selling things as a industry but it is that with align:start position:0% things as a industry but it is that with align:start position:0% things as a industry but it is that with the internet and particularly with like align:start position:0% the internet and particularly with like align:start position:0% the internet and particularly with like Amazon Prime oftentimes you can find the align:start position:0% Amazon Prime oftentimes you can find the align:start position:0% Amazon Prime oftentimes you can find the same product online and even with align:start position:0% same product online and even with align:start position:0% same product online and even with shipping they can beat the price of any align:start position:0% shipping they can beat the price of any align:start position:0% shipping they can beat the price of any retail store which is board games board align:start position:0% retail store which is board games board align:start position:0% retail store which is board games board game and retail outlets pretty hard align:start position:0% game and retail outlets pretty hard align:start position:0% game and retail outlets pretty hard because you can go hell I work at Eureka align:start position:0% because you can go hell I work at Eureka align:start position:0% because you can go hell I work at Eureka puzzles I get an employee discount and align:start position:0% puzzles I get an employee discount and align:start position:0% puzzles I get an employee discount and it's still cheaper for me to go on fun align:start position:0% it's still cheaper for me to go on fun align:start position:0% it's still cheaper for me to go on fun again games and buy a game on that and align:start position:0% again games and buy a game on that and align:start position:0% again games and buy a game on that and with shipping it's still cheaper than align:start position:0% with shipping it's still cheaper than align:start position:0% with shipping it's still cheaper than what I paid at Eureka puzzles for board align:start position:0% what I paid at Eureka puzzles for board align:start position:0% what I paid at Eureka puzzles for board games yeah as a result a lot of retail align:start position:0% games yeah as a result a lot of retail align:start position:0% games yeah as a result a lot of retail outlets are starting to realize that if align:start position:0% outlets are starting to realize that if align:start position:0% outlets are starting to realize that if they're going to survive they can't do align:start position:0% they're going to survive they can't do align:start position:0% they're going to survive they can't do it by trying to be price with online align:start position:0% it by trying to be price with online align:start position:0% it by trying to be price with online stores turnip n as a result they're align:start position:0% stores turnip n as a result they're align:start position:0% stores turnip n as a result they're realizing that their strength is that align:start position:0% realizing that their strength is that align:start position:0% realizing that their strength is that they have a physical presence so there align:start position:0% they have a physical presence so there align:start position:0% they have a physical presence so there it is that if they're going to charge align:start position:0% it is that if they're going to charge align:start position:0% it is that if they're going to charge more for board games than you can get align:start position:0% more for board games than you can get align:start position:0% more for board games than you can get online that they need to add value to align:start position:0% online that they need to add value to align:start position:0% online that they need to add value to that align:start position:0% that align:start position:0% that that's way to see stuff like the my align:start position:0% that's way to see stuff like the my align:start position:0% that's way to see stuff like the my boobs cafe exact where they're taking align:start position:0% boobs cafe exact where they're taking align:start position:0% boobs cafe exact where they're taking that so the the interesting thing about align:start position:0% that so the the interesting thing about align:start position:0% that so the the interesting thing about this well I love one of the interesting align:start position:0% this well I love one of the interesting align:start position:0% this well I love one of the interesting things about this is a comic books right align:start position:0% things about this is a comic books right align:start position:0% things about this is a comic books right so comic books in the 90s were huge and align:start position:0% so comic books in the 90s were huge and align:start position:0% so comic books in the 90s were huge and then they went through this bust and the align:start position:0% then they went through this bust and the align:start position:0% then they went through this bust and the people who own comic book stores started align:start position:0% people who own comic book stores started align:start position:0% people who own comic book stores started to see the margins on their products get align:start position:0% to see the margins on their products get align:start position:0% to see the margins on their products get shorter and turn and turn align:start position:0% shorter and turn and turn align:start position:0% shorter and turn and turn less and less and less people buying align:start position:0% less and less and less people buying align:start position:0% less and less and less people buying comics right so it's a really dire align:start position:0% comics right so it's a really dire align:start position:0% comics right so it's a really dire situation and in the past ten years it's align:start position:0% situation and in the past ten years it's align:start position:0% situation and in the past ten years it's become really easy to pirate comics align:start position:0% become really easy to pirate comics align:start position:0% become really easy to pirate comics online but more so than that there are align:start position:0% online but more so than that there are align:start position:0% online but more so than that there are apps for your phone or your iPad like align:start position:0% apps for your phone or your iPad like align:start position:0% apps for your phone or your iPad like comixology or the Marvel app that align:start position:0% comixology or the Marvel app that align:start position:0% comixology or the Marvel app that actually is true a really really good align:start position:0% actually is true a really really good align:start position:0% actually is true a really really good job of presenting comics to you like my align:start position:0% job of presenting comics to you like my align:start position:0% job of presenting comics to you like my wife wouldn't read comics at all before align:start position:0% wife wouldn't read comics at all before align:start position:0% wife wouldn't read comics at all before just because sometimes people who don't align:start position:0% just because sometimes people who don't align:start position:0% just because sometimes people who don't really know how to do layout end up align:start position:0% really know how to do layout end up align:start position:0% really know how to do layout end up doing layout for comics and so it can be align:start position:0% doing layout for comics and so it can be align:start position:0% doing layout for comics and so it can be literally it can be confusing to read align:start position:0% literally it can be confusing to read align:start position:0% literally it can be confusing to read just because they don't have artistic align:start position:0% just because they don't have artistic align:start position:0% just because they don't have artistic mastery of how to make someone's eye align:start position:0% mastery of how to make someone's eye align:start position:0% mastery of how to make someone's eye flow across the page one of the things align:start position:0% flow across the page one of the things align:start position:0% flow across the page one of the things that like comixology app does is that align:start position:0% that like comixology app does is that align:start position:0% that like comixology app does is that you can just zoom in panel the panel to align:start position:0% you can just zoom in panel the panel to align:start position:0% you can just zoom in panel the panel to panel the panel depend on the panel and align:start position:0% panel the panel depend on the panel and align:start position:0% panel the panel depend on the panel and it's a surprising shift in the way the align:start position:0% it's a surprising shift in the way the align:start position:0% it's a surprising shift in the way the anyway the important thing is that align:start position:0% anyway the important thing is that align:start position:0% anyway the important thing is that comics chairs were getting a lot less align:start position:0% comics chairs were getting a lot less align:start position:0% comics chairs were getting a lot less money and so what they did is they took align:start position:0% money and so what they did is they took align:start position:0% money and so what they did is they took all their floor space and started to align:start position:0% all their floor space and started to align:start position:0% all their floor space and started to dive heavier into the parts of their align:start position:0% dive heavier into the parts of their align:start position:0% dive heavier into the parts of their business that were generating the money align:start position:0% business that were generating the money align:start position:0% business that were generating the money which was board games and hobby games align:start position:0% which was board games and hobby games align:start position:0% which was board games and hobby games and they the ones that survived because align:start position:0% and they the ones that survived because align:start position:0% and they the ones that survived because a lot of them have gone out of business align:start position:0% a lot of them have gone out of business align:start position:0% a lot of them have gone out of business the ones that survived tend to be really align:start position:0% the ones that survived tend to be really align:start position:0% the ones that survived tend to be really really good and the reason that they've align:start position:0% really good and the reason that they've align:start position:0% really good and the reason that they've really really good is because they align:start position:0% really really good is because they align:start position:0% really really good is because they realized that they're not in the align:start position:0% realized that they're not in the align:start position:0% realized that they're not in the business of selling you comics they're align:start position:0% business of selling you comics they're align:start position:0% business of selling you comics they're in the business of creating a community align:start position:0% in the business of creating a community align:start position:0% in the business of creating a community right and you go and buy like I Drive an align:start position:0% right and you go and buy like I Drive an align:start position:0% right and you go and buy like I Drive an hour to my comic store because I'm an align:start position:0% hour to my comic store because I'm an align:start position:0% hour to my comic store because I'm an idiot I die and I could just be buying align:start position:0% idiot I die and I could just be buying align:start position:0% idiot I die and I could just be buying them online align:start position:0% them online align:start position:0% them online I Drive an hour because my comic store align:start position:0% I Drive an hour because my comic store align:start position:0% I Drive an hour because my comic store because they have their good operators align:start position:0% because they have their good operators align:start position:0% because they have their good operators creating a good community for people to align:start position:0% creating a good community for people to align:start position:0% creating a good community for people to come together and you know talk about align:start position:0% come together and you know talk about align:start position:0% come together and you know talk about different projects there are always like align:start position:0% different projects there are always like align:start position:0% different projects there are always like running events like this it's barely a align:start position:0% running events like this it's barely a align:start position:0% running events like this it's barely a store it's like a little mini convention align:start position:0% store it's like a little mini convention align:start position:0% store it's like a little mini convention that's always kind of slightly happening align:start position:0% that's always kind of slightly happening align:start position:0% that's always kind of slightly happening and so a large part that is realizing align:start position:0% and so a large part that is realizing align:start position:0% and so a large part that is realizing you know we can get people in this store align:start position:0% you know we can get people in this store align:start position:0% you know we can get people in this store for a longer period of time if we're all align:start position:0% for a longer period of time if we're all align:start position:0% for a longer period of time if we're all playing games together if we're running align:start position:0% playing games together if we're running align:start position:0% playing games together if we're running card game tournaments and I'm going the align:start position:0% card game tournaments and I'm going the align:start position:0% card game tournaments and I'm going the employment comes back align:start position:0% employment comes back align:start position:0% employment comes back the interesting part is how we as align:start position:0% the interesting part is how we as align:start position:0% the interesting part is how we as designers take that what's their what's align:start position:0% designers take that what's their what's align:start position:0% designers take that what's their what's their role to us and it's I mean before align:start position:0% their role to us and it's I mean before align:start position:0% their role to us and it's I mean before was definitely you could if you get your align:start position:0% was definitely you could if you get your align:start position:0% was definitely you could if you get your game picked up by a distributors to a align:start position:0% game picked up by a distributors to a align:start position:0% game picked up by a distributors to a publisher and the publisher gets picked align:start position:0% publisher and the publisher gets picked align:start position:0% publisher and the publisher gets picked up by the distributor and all of a align:start position:0% up by the distributor and all of a align:start position:0% up by the distributor and all of a sudden you're not selling to a direct align:start position:0% sudden you're not selling to a direct align:start position:0% sudden you're not selling to a direct audience online you're Senate you're align:start position:0% audience online you're Senate you're align:start position:0% audience online you're Senate you're selling to hundreds of thousands of align:start position:0% selling to hundreds of thousands of align:start position:0% selling to hundreds of thousands of little mom-and-pop stores across the align:start position:0% little mom-and-pop stores across the align:start position:0% little mom-and-pop stores across the nation your numbers are huge but now align:start position:0% nation your numbers are huge but now align:start position:0% nation your numbers are huge but now okay so you could still wind up making a align:start position:0% okay so you could still wind up making a align:start position:0% okay so you could still wind up making a lot less true because your margins are align:start position:0% lot less true because your margins are align:start position:0% lot less true because your margins are going to be your market works but the align:start position:0% going to be your market works but the align:start position:0% going to be your market works but the part of the thing you can do now is that align:start position:0% part of the thing you can do now is that align:start position:0% part of the thing you can do now is that or game stores can really help with the align:start position:0% or game stores can really help with the align:start position:0% or game stores can really help with the promotion of your game I know like align:start position:0% promotion of your game I know like align:start position:0% promotion of your game I know like Eureka puzzles align:start position:0% Eureka puzzles align:start position:0% Eureka puzzles Night Moves are huge on like if you've align:start position:0% Night Moves are huge on like if you've align:start position:0% Night Moves are huge on like if you've got a game that you want to show people align:start position:0% got a game that you want to show people align:start position:0% got a game that you want to show people that you come in and teach it to a bunch align:start position:0% that you come in and teach it to a bunch align:start position:0% that you come in and teach it to a bunch of people at their store they happy to align:start position:0% of people at their store they happy to align:start position:0% of people at their store they happy to do that because on the one hand you're align:start position:0% do that because on the one hand you're align:start position:0% do that because on the one hand you're adding value to their store which they align:start position:0% adding value to their store which they align:start position:0% adding value to their store which they love and need so that people will like align:start position:0% love and need so that people will like align:start position:0% love and need so that people will like oh you're good puzzles they had one guy align:start position:0% oh you're good puzzles they had one guy align:start position:0% oh you're good puzzles they had one guy come in and that was really cool I align:start position:0% come in and that was really cool I align:start position:0% come in and that was really cool I learned how he made this game but then align:start position:0% learned how he made this game but then align:start position:0% learned how he made this game but then you're getting value out of that then align:start position:0% you're getting value out of that then align:start position:0% you're getting value out of that then now people know about your game and then align:start position:0% now people know about your game and then align:start position:0% now people know about your game and then when a sore by his games from you you align:start position:0% when a sore by his games from you you align:start position:0% when a sore by his games from you you still get the sort of maybe not align:start position:0% still get the sort of maybe not align:start position:0% still get the sort of maybe not necessarily the margins you need but you align:start position:0% necessarily the margins you need but you align:start position:0% necessarily the margins you need but you know it's still a lot better um so like align:start position:0% know it's still a lot better um so like align:start position:0% know it's still a lot better um so like normally it in traditional publishing if align:start position:0% normally it in traditional publishing if align:start position:0% normally it in traditional publishing if I was gonna put out a board game 20 align:start position:0% I was gonna put out a board game 20 align:start position:0% I was gonna put out a board game 20 years ago 15 years ago I would have to align:start position:0% years ago 15 years ago I would have to align:start position:0% years ago 15 years ago I would have to find a distributor like Alliance or align:start position:0% find a distributor like Alliance or align:start position:0% find a distributor like Alliance or diamond or something and then I would align:start position:0% diamond or something and then I would align:start position:0% diamond or something and then I would sell my game to them for 20% of the MSRP align:start position:0% sell my game to them for 20% of the MSRP align:start position:0% sell my game to them for 20% of the MSRP which is the manufacturer's suggested align:start position:0% which is the manufacturer's suggested align:start position:0% which is the manufacturer's suggested retail price so if I had a game that was align:start position:0% retail price so if I had a game that was align:start position:0% retail price so if I had a game that was $25 I would sell it to the distributor align:start position:0% $25 I would sell it to the distributor align:start position:0% $25 I would sell it to the distributor for I would sell it to the tribute er align:start position:0% for I would sell it to the tribute er align:start position:0% for I would sell it to the tribute er for $5 and then he would turn around and align:start position:0% for $5 and then he would turn around and align:start position:0% for $5 and then he would turn around and sell it to a store for somewhere in align:start position:0% sell it to a store for somewhere in align:start position:0% sell it to a store for somewhere in between that $5 and half the MSRP and align:start position:0% between that $5 and half the MSRP and align:start position:0% between that $5 and half the MSRP and that's his cut and in between there's align:start position:0% that's his cut and in between there's align:start position:0% that's his cut and in between there's all these other people who are taking align:start position:0% all these other people who are taking align:start position:0% all these other people who are taking their cut and taken they're coming align:start position:0% their cut and taken they're coming align:start position:0% their cut and taken they're coming together and the reason that I have made align:start position:0% together and the reason that I have made align:start position:0% together and the reason that I have made jokes about the music industry model align:start position:0% jokes about the music industry model align:start position:0% jokes about the music industry model from the nineties is because it's the align:start position:0% from the nineties is because it's the align:start position:0% from the nineties is because it's the same model it's the same thing align:start position:0% same model it's the same thing align:start position:0% same model it's the same thing it's that there are people who are align:start position:0% it's that there are people who are align:start position:0% it's that there are people who are creating stuff but because there is no align:start position:0% creating stuff but because there is no align:start position:0% creating stuff but because there is no really align:start position:0% really align:start position:0% really awesome way for them to get it directly align:start position:0% awesome way for them to get it directly align:start position:0% awesome way for them to get it directly to the people who care about it they align:start position:0% to the people who care about it they align:start position:0% to the people who care about it they have to go through all these weird side align:start position:0% have to go through all these weird side align:start position:0% have to go through all these weird side projects side industries or middlemen align:start position:0% projects side industries or middlemen align:start position:0% projects side industries or middlemen industries they only a few people who align:start position:0% industries they only a few people who align:start position:0% industries they only a few people who are tapped by very very powerful align:start position:0% are tapped by very very powerful align:start position:0% are tapped by very very powerful companies got to be famous in the 90s align:start position:0% companies got to be famous in the 90s align:start position:0% companies got to be famous in the 90s and then you know the internet came and align:start position:0% and then you know the internet came and align:start position:0% and then you know the internet came and destroyed all of music even though align:start position:0% destroyed all of music even though align:start position:0% destroyed all of music even though musics making more than it ever has and align:start position:0% musics making more than it ever has and align:start position:0% musics making more than it ever has and all these other things but what was align:start position:0% all these other things but what was align:start position:0% all these other things but what was rediscovered in that shift and this is align:start position:0% rediscovered in that shift and this is align:start position:0% rediscovered in that shift and this is something that's happening in more games align:start position:0% something that's happening in more games align:start position:0% something that's happening in more games right now is that people want the direct align:start position:0% right now is that people want the direct align:start position:0% right now is that people want the direct audience to create our connection you align:start position:0% audience to create our connection you align:start position:0% audience to create our connection you know like if you if you could spend $20 align:start position:0% know like if you if you could spend $20 align:start position:0% know like if you if you could spend $20 on a CD because they used to be $20 or align:start position:0% on a CD because they used to be $20 or align:start position:0% on a CD because they used to be $20 or $20 on a ticket to go see a show even align:start position:0% $20 on a ticket to go see a show even align:start position:0% $20 on a ticket to go see a show even though you're not of like a band that align:start position:0% though you're not of like a band that align:start position:0% though you're not of like a band that you enjoy even though you don't get to align:start position:0% you enjoy even though you don't get to align:start position:0% you enjoy even though you don't get to keep that show forever that's come on align:start position:0% keep that show forever that's come on align:start position:0% keep that show forever that's come on that's so much more enjoyable because align:start position:0% that's so much more enjoyable because align:start position:0% that's so much more enjoyable because you could get that CD in a million align:start position:0% you could get that CD in a million align:start position:0% you could get that CD in a million different ways four million different align:start position:0% different ways four million different align:start position:0% different ways four million different locations or like it's really easy but align:start position:0% locations or like it's really easy but align:start position:0% locations or like it's really easy but you're getting an experience with what align:start position:0% you're getting an experience with what align:start position:0% you're getting an experience with what the other thing and you're getting to align:start position:0% the other thing and you're getting to align:start position:0% the other thing and you're getting to know that you're directly supporting the align:start position:0% know that you're directly supporting the align:start position:0% know that you're directly supporting the creator which is something that a lot of align:start position:0% creator which is something that a lot of align:start position:0% creator which is something that a lot of audience members are really invested in align:start position:0% audience members are really invested in align:start position:0% audience members are really invested in and as someone who is a creator I'm very align:start position:0% and as someone who is a creator I'm very align:start position:0% and as someone who is a creator I'm very invested in that but also it's align:start position:0% invested in that but also it's align:start position:0% invested in that but also it's financially beneficial so like for me align:start position:0% financially beneficial so like for me align:start position:0% financially beneficial so like for me for instance I can make a short-run align:start position:0% for instance I can make a short-run align:start position:0% for instance I can make a short-run print product for like three dollars and align:start position:0% print product for like three dollars and align:start position:0% print product for like three dollars and sell it for twenty bucks and then you align:start position:0% sell it for twenty bucks and then you align:start position:0% sell it for twenty bucks and then you know cook the mailing price into that align:start position:0% know cook the mailing price into that align:start position:0% know cook the mailing price into that and get someone I've actually made a align:start position:0% and get someone I've actually made a align:start position:0% and get someone I've actually made a reasonably good profit on it but if I align:start position:0% reasonably good profit on it but if I align:start position:0% reasonably good profit on it but if I make it for three bucks and want to sell align:start position:0% make it for three bucks and want to sell align:start position:0% make it for three bucks and want to sell it for 20 bucks I kind of end up having align:start position:0% it for 20 bucks I kind of end up having align:start position:0% it for 20 bucks I kind of end up having to sell it to a distributor still for align:start position:0% to sell it to a distributor still for align:start position:0% to sell it to a distributor still for like four or five bucks and then in align:start position:0% like four or five bucks and then in align:start position:0% like four or five bucks and then in order for it to be worth my time I align:start position:0% order for it to be worth my time I align:start position:0% order for it to be worth my time I really need to make a whole lot of them align:start position:0% really need to make a whole lot of them align:start position:0% really need to make a whole lot of them and the distributor's probably only want align:start position:0% and the distributor's probably only want align:start position:0% and the distributor's probably only want wanted if I can make a whole lot of them align:start position:0% wanted if I can make a whole lot of them align:start position:0% wanted if I can make a whole lot of them so now I'm gonna find a way to make a align:start position:0% so now I'm gonna find a way to make a align:start position:0% so now I'm gonna find a way to make a thousand of this thing which in align:start position:0% thousand of this thing which in align:start position:0% thousand of this thing which in boardgames is a ridiculous number of a align:start position:0% boardgames is a ridiculous number of a align:start position:0% boardgames is a ridiculous number of a game to have like unbelievable align:start position:0% game to have like unbelievable align:start position:0% game to have like unbelievable unbelievably large number but align:start position:0% unbelievably large number but align:start position:0% unbelievably large number but unfortunately you can't get it align:start position:0% unfortunately you can't get it align:start position:0% unfortunately you can't get it affordable unless it's above align:start position:0% affordable unless it's above align:start position:0% affordable unless it's above alright and that's the part of the funny align:start position:0% alright and that's the part of the funny align:start position:0% alright and that's the part of the funny thing to you like you think I like align:start position:0% thing to you like you think I like align:start position:0% thing to you like you think I like self-publishing and stuff alright like align:start position:0% self-publishing and stuff alright like align:start position:0% self-publishing and stuff alright like okay make it only make a thousand copies align:start position:0% okay make it only make a thousand copies align:start position:0% okay make it only make a thousand copies and you if you have like a decent budget align:start position:0% and you if you have like a decent budget align:start position:0% and you if you have like a decent budget and half degree that's fine do you think align:start position:0% and half degree that's fine do you think align:start position:0% and half degree that's fine do you think like okay I'm just gonna keep this in my align:start position:0% like okay I'm just gonna keep this in my align:start position:0% like okay I'm just gonna keep this in my house until I sell them all you don't align:start position:0% house until I sell them all you don't align:start position:0% house until I sell them all you don't realize how many like how much space a align:start position:0% realize how many like how much space a align:start position:0% realize how many like how much space a thousand board games takes up until you align:start position:0% thousand board games takes up until you align:start position:0% thousand board games takes up until you see it align:start position:0% see it align:start position:0% see it Oh actually I have a video because I align:start position:0% Oh actually I have a video because I align:start position:0% Oh actually I have a video because I have 2500 oh I have 2500 in my garage align:start position:0% have 2500 oh I have 2500 in my garage align:start position:0% have 2500 oh I have 2500 in my garage right now and it takes up exactly a cars align:start position:0% right now and it takes up exactly a cars align:start position:0% right now and it takes up exactly a cars worth 2500 copies at 25000 it's a card align:start position:0% worth 2500 copies at 25000 it's a card align:start position:0% worth 2500 copies at 25000 it's a card game align:start position:0% game align:start position:0% game it is this card game and I got 2,500 of align:start position:0% it is this card game and I got 2,500 of align:start position:0% it is this card game and I got 2,500 of them in my garage and then some more of align:start position:0% them in my garage and then some more of align:start position:0% them in my garage and then some more of them down at the port for sure we should align:start position:0% them down at the port for sure we should align:start position:0% them down at the port for sure we should bring up there there I don't think you'd align:start position:0% bring up there there I don't think you'd align:start position:0% bring up there there I don't think you'd ever say this there is some benefit to align:start position:0% ever say this there is some benefit to align:start position:0% ever say this there is some benefit to going through traditional publishing and align:start position:0% going through traditional publishing and align:start position:0% going through traditional publishing and yeah it's right for some people it's not align:start position:0% yeah it's right for some people it's not align:start position:0% yeah it's right for some people it's not right for and I mean the reason that I align:start position:0% right for and I mean the reason that I align:start position:0% right for and I mean the reason that I would suggest that is that if you've got align:start position:0% would suggest that is that if you've got align:start position:0% would suggest that is that if you've got a really good game idea and you pitch it align:start position:0% a really good game idea and you pitch it align:start position:0% a really good game idea and you pitch it to a publisher and they really like align:start position:0% to a publisher and they really like align:start position:0% to a publisher and they really like English it's there's so much more to to align:start position:0% English it's there's so much more to to align:start position:0% English it's there's so much more to to that than just being like take this game align:start position:0% that than just being like take this game align:start position:0% that than just being like take this game they're like we love your game with it align:start position:0% they're like we love your game with it align:start position:0% they're like we love your game with it we'll take it and here's money if you align:start position:0% we'll take it and here's money if you align:start position:0% we'll take it and here's money if you create an idea and you sell it to a align:start position:0% create an idea and you sell it to a align:start position:0% create an idea and you sell it to a publisher you're done and it's not your align:start position:0% publisher you're done and it's not your align:start position:0% publisher you're done and it's not your and it's not your idea and that's not a align:start position:0% and it's not your idea and that's not a align:start position:0% and it's not your idea and that's not a great day anymore but the all of a align:start position:0% great day anymore but the all of a align:start position:0% great day anymore but the all of a sudden with the self-publishing it align:start position:0% sudden with the self-publishing it align:start position:0% sudden with the self-publishing it becomes like I mean the amount of effort align:start position:0% becomes like I mean the amount of effort align:start position:0% becomes like I mean the amount of effort to make a game fly is huge its massive align:start position:0% to make a game fly is huge its massive align:start position:0% to make a game fly is huge its massive especially if you're doing it on your align:start position:0% especially if you're doing it on your align:start position:0% especially if you're doing it on your own but if you sell it to a publisher align:start position:0% own but if you sell it to a publisher align:start position:0% own but if you sell it to a publisher you're not gonna make as much money but align:start position:0% you're not gonna make as much money but align:start position:0% you're not gonna make as much money but and there comes a point where you're not align:start position:0% and there comes a point where you're not align:start position:0% and there comes a point where you're not doing anything and you're still getting align:start position:0% doing anything and you're still getting align:start position:0% doing anything and you're still getting paid yeah that's a 100 percent of a align:start position:0% paid yeah that's a 100 percent of a align:start position:0% paid yeah that's a 100 percent of a small number or five percent of a big align:start position:0% small number or five percent of a big align:start position:0% small number or five percent of a big number align:start position:0% number align:start position:0% number yeah and it's a question of align:start position:0% yeah and it's a question of align:start position:0% yeah and it's a question of what are you in in for right and and align:start position:0% what are you in in for right and and align:start position:0% what are you in in for right and and what is your what does your time look align:start position:0% what is your what does your time look align:start position:0% what is your what does your time look like um like for me I make games and I align:start position:0% like um like for me I make games and I align:start position:0% like um like for me I make games and I chose to leave a life that was not align:start position:0% chose to leave a life that was not align:start position:0% chose to leave a life that was not making me happy but was making me lots align:start position:0% making me happy but was making me lots align:start position:0% making me happy but was making me lots of money for a life that is making me align:start position:0% of money for a life that is making me align:start position:0% of money for a life that is making me significantly less money but I still align:start position:0% significantly less money but I still align:start position:0% significantly less money but I still make is making me really happy because I align:start position:0% make is making me really happy because I align:start position:0% make is making me really happy because I get to create things and they're fun and align:start position:0% get to create things and they're fun and align:start position:0% get to create things and they're fun and I get to see like a really happy person align:start position:0% I get to see like a really happy person align:start position:0% I get to see like a really happy person it's the medication also if you know I'm align:start position:0% it's the medication also if you know I'm align:start position:0% it's the medication also if you know I'm not I don't work in an office so well so align:start position:0% not I don't work in an office so well so align:start position:0% not I don't work in an office so well so it fulfills that kind that that artistic align:start position:0% it fulfills that kind that that artistic align:start position:0% it fulfills that kind that that artistic or productive drive and that's not align:start position:0% or productive drive and that's not align:start position:0% or productive drive and that's not something to be ignored totally lost my align:start position:0% something to be ignored totally lost my align:start position:0% something to be ignored totally lost my train of thought align:start position:0% train of thought align:start position:0% train of thought yeah that's our you know like the major align:start position:0% yeah that's our you know like the major align:start position:0% yeah that's our you know like the major the major point is that if you want to align:start position:0% the major point is that if you want to align:start position:0% the major point is that if you want to make your career making Kings doing align:start position:0% make your career making Kings doing align:start position:0% make your career making Kings doing yourself can be really big if you want align:start position:0% yourself can be really big if you want align:start position:0% yourself can be really big if you want to like put a few games out there and do align:start position:0% to like put a few games out there and do align:start position:0% to like put a few games out there and do a lot of other things with your life align:start position:0% a lot of other things with your life align:start position:0% a lot of other things with your life like just like once a month sending out align:start position:0% like just like once a month sending out align:start position:0% like just like once a month sending out all of your games to every publisher align:start position:0% all of your games to every publisher align:start position:0% all of your games to every publisher you've got the email or now you can just align:start position:0% you've got the email or now you can just align:start position:0% you've got the email or now you can just kind of you don't have to make it your align:start position:0% kind of you don't have to make it your align:start position:0% kind of you don't have to make it your life yeah it's like it's like if you're align:start position:0% life yeah it's like it's like if you're align:start position:0% life yeah it's like it's like if you're gonna start a band is the band your life align:start position:0% gonna start a band is the band your life align:start position:0% gonna start a band is the band your life or is it what you do you know for fun align:start position:0% or is it what you do you know for fun align:start position:0% or is it what you do you know for fun with some of your friends neither align:start position:0% with some of your friends neither align:start position:0% with some of your friends neither neither is an illegitimate way of doing align:start position:0% neither is an illegitimate way of doing align:start position:0% neither is an illegitimate way of doing they're just right for different people align:start position:0% align:start position:0% yeah I can do that self-publishing is align:start position:0% align:start position:0% contacts and get the money ever since align:start position:0% contacts and get the money ever since align:start position:0% contacts and get the money ever since and you guys have your finger on the align:start position:0% and you guys have your finger on the align:start position:0% and you guys have your finger on the pulse of the community and you know a align:start position:0% pulse of the community and you know a align:start position:0% pulse of the community and you know a lot of designers that align:start position:0% lot of designers that align:start position:0% lot of designers that skill set have you considered polishing align:start position:0% skill set have you considered polishing align:start position:0% skill set have you considered polishing other align:start position:0% align:start position:0% I have I have considered it and I've align:start position:0% I have I have considered it and I've align:start position:0% I have I have considered it and I've been approached to do it but I've said align:start position:0% been approached to do it but I've said align:start position:0% been approached to do it but I've said and no because I don't I worked in align:start position:0% and no because I don't I worked in align:start position:0% and no because I don't I worked in publishing for a long time and I am align:start position:0% publishing for a long time and I am align:start position:0% publishing for a long time and I am ideologically opposed to that model that align:start position:0% ideologically opposed to that model that align:start position:0% ideologically opposed to that model that being said one of the things that I do I align:start position:0% being said one of the things that I do I align:start position:0% being said one of the things that I do I do this on a consulting basis and I also align:start position:0% do this on a consulting basis and I also align:start position:0% do this on a consulting basis and I also do this just through my my you know our align:start position:0% do this just through my my you know our align:start position:0% do this just through my my you know our website and kind of the fact that all of align:start position:0% website and kind of the fact that all of align:start position:0% website and kind of the fact that all of our games are Creative Commons license align:start position:0% our games are Creative Commons license align:start position:0% our games are Creative Commons license and the whole process and Frank and turn align:start position:0% and the whole process and Frank and turn align:start position:0% and the whole process and Frank and turn that down align:start position:0% that down align:start position:0% that down is um teach people how to do it because align:start position:0% is um teach people how to do it because align:start position:0% is um teach people how to do it because it isn't undertaking but there's nowhere align:start position:0% it isn't undertaking but there's nowhere align:start position:0% it isn't undertaking but there's nowhere near as hard as you would think you just align:start position:0% near as hard as you would think you just align:start position:0% near as hard as you would think you just you know just the kind of effort you align:start position:0% you know just the kind of effort you align:start position:0% you know just the kind of effort you would put into studying for a class is align:start position:0% would put into studying for a class is align:start position:0% would put into studying for a class is the kind of effort you need to put in to align:start position:0% the kind of effort you need to put in to align:start position:0% the kind of effort you need to put in to figure out how to deal with Amazon you align:start position:0% figure out how to deal with Amazon you align:start position:0% figure out how to deal with Amazon you know fulfillment services or what does align:start position:0% know fulfillment services or what does align:start position:0% know fulfillment services or what does it take to Oh God align:start position:0% it take to Oh God align:start position:0% it take to Oh God figuring out shipping if you ever start align:start position:0% figuring out shipping if you ever start align:start position:0% figuring out shipping if you ever start a Kickstarter for anything figure out align:start position:0% a Kickstarter for anything figure out align:start position:0% a Kickstarter for anything figure out the damn shipping that will kill you I align:start position:0% the damn shipping that will kill you I align:start position:0% the damn shipping that will kill you I had a friend of mine who made this align:start position:0% had a friend of mine who made this align:start position:0% had a friend of mine who made this really cool game called um mobile align:start position:0% really cool game called um mobile align:start position:0% really cool game called um mobile friends zero rapid attack which is a align:start position:0% friends zero rapid attack which is a align:start position:0% friends zero rapid attack which is a which is a robot fighting game where you align:start position:0% which is a robot fighting game where you align:start position:0% which is a robot fighting game where you make all the Lego you make Lego robots align:start position:0% make all the Lego you make Lego robots align:start position:0% make all the Lego you make Lego robots and yeah so they're doing in this demo align:start position:0% and yeah so they're doing in this demo align:start position:0% and yeah so they're doing in this demo his new him this weekend which is like align:start position:0% his new him this weekend which is like align:start position:0% his new him this weekend which is like rockets and space or something anyway so align:start position:0% rockets and space or something anyway so align:start position:0% rockets and space or something anyway so he he raised like eighty five thousand align:start position:0% he he raised like eighty five thousand align:start position:0% he he raised like eighty five thousand dollars on Kickstarter to publish what align:start position:0% dollars on Kickstarter to publish what align:start position:0% dollars on Kickstarter to publish what was just a book and mail it to people align:start position:0% was just a book and mail it to people align:start position:0% was just a book and mail it to people but because he had not and he's a smart align:start position:0% but because he had not and he's a smart align:start position:0% but because he had not and he's a smart person because he had not figured out align:start position:0% person because he had not figured out align:start position:0% person because he had not figured out the shipping cost he ended up 25 grand align:start position:0% the shipping cost he ended up 25 grand align:start position:0% the shipping cost he ended up 25 grand in the hole yeah yeah cuz United States align:start position:0% in the hole yeah yeah cuz United States align:start position:0% in the hole yeah yeah cuz United States Postal Service and go what are the rates align:start position:0% Postal Service and go what are the rates align:start position:0% Postal Service and go what are the rates yes align:start position:0% align:start position:0% 5,000 and it cost him roughly a hundred align:start position:0% 5,000 and it cost him roughly a hundred align:start position:0% 5,000 and it cost him roughly a hundred yeah so like it's not like if that's align:start position:0% yeah so like it's not like if that's align:start position:0% yeah so like it's not like if that's that is what a publisher does for you align:start position:0% that is what a publisher does for you align:start position:0% that is what a publisher does for you they bigger don't even freaking worry align:start position:0% they bigger don't even freaking worry align:start position:0% they bigger don't even freaking worry about it align:start position:0% about it align:start position:0% about it we're taking 90% of whatever this game align:start position:0% we're taking 90% of whatever this game align:start position:0% we're taking 90% of whatever this game makes 95% of whatever this game makes align:start position:0% makes 95% of whatever this game makes align:start position:0% makes 95% of whatever this game makes well you know if they're worried about a align:start position:0% well you know if they're worried about a align:start position:0% well you know if they're worried about a that crap and so for some people that's align:start position:0% that crap and so for some people that's align:start position:0% that crap and so for some people that's really what you're actually finding a align:start position:0% really what you're actually finding a align:start position:0% really what you're actually finding a lot of is that there's tons of small align:start position:0% lot of is that there's tons of small align:start position:0% lot of is that there's tons of small publishers and these are actually align:start position:0% publishers and these are actually align:start position:0% publishers and these are actually starting I mean game Sloot is one made a align:start position:0% starting I mean game Sloot is one made a align:start position:0% starting I mean game Sloot is one made a game yeah maybe a page which you might align:start position:0% game yeah maybe a page which you might align:start position:0% game yeah maybe a page which you might have seen on tabletop yeah that's Dave align:start position:0% have seen on tabletop yeah that's Dave align:start position:0% have seen on tabletop yeah that's Dave chalker yeah yeah he's a really good guy align:start position:0% chalker yeah yeah he's a really good guy align:start position:0% chalker yeah yeah he's a really good guy but lots of small companies that they it align:start position:0% but lots of small companies that they it align:start position:0% but lots of small companies that they it was a designer he had one game he's like align:start position:0% was a designer he had one game he's like align:start position:0% was a designer he had one game he's like I'm gonna do it myself and try and make align:start position:0% I'm gonna do it myself and try and make align:start position:0% I'm gonna do it myself and try and make this work tasty minstrels another one align:start position:0% this work tasty minstrels another one align:start position:0% this work tasty minstrels another one there's a lot of these little dice ain't align:start position:0% there's a lot of these little dice ain't align:start position:0% there's a lot of these little dice ain't big games just started like that yeah align:start position:0% big games just started like that yeah align:start position:0% big games just started like that yeah now that whatever conventions are there align:start position:0% now that whatever conventions are there align:start position:0% now that whatever conventions are there they serve the idea they do it align:start position:0% they serve the idea they do it align:start position:0% they serve the idea they do it themselves and hey it works out and then align:start position:0% themselves and hey it works out and then align:start position:0% themselves and hey it works out and then from there they realize hey we should do align:start position:0% from there they realize hey we should do align:start position:0% from there they realize hey we should do a lot more of these because that was align:start position:0% a lot more of these because that was align:start position:0% a lot more of these because that was successful and if we're successful align:start position:0% successful and if we're successful align:start position:0% successful and if we're successful whether we can make it work and after align:start position:0% whether we can make it work and after align:start position:0% whether we can make it work and after the one designer kind of takes some align:start position:0% the one designer kind of takes some align:start position:0% the one designer kind of takes some bills a company comes three or four align:start position:0% bills a company comes three or four align:start position:0% bills a company comes three or four people and it becomes mildly successful align:start position:0% people and it becomes mildly successful align:start position:0% people and it becomes mildly successful and then pushed out all the games that align:start position:0% and then pushed out all the games that align:start position:0% and then pushed out all the games that they thought like man you know I've made align:start position:0% they thought like man you know I've made align:start position:0% they thought like man you know I've made all the games that I wanted to setting align:start position:0% all the games that I wanted to setting align:start position:0% all the games that I wanted to setting out or they've used all their hours in align:start position:0% out or they've used all their hours in align:start position:0% out or they've used all their hours in the day and they just can't do anymore align:start position:0% the day and they just can't do anymore align:start position:0% the day and they just can't do anymore well then then they they then once that align:start position:0% well then then they they then once that align:start position:0% well then then they they then once that happens a lot of publishers will then align:start position:0% happens a lot of publishers will then align:start position:0% happens a lot of publishers will then start to look for other designers and align:start position:0% start to look for other designers and align:start position:0% start to look for other designers and publish their games because after you align:start position:0% publish their games because after you align:start position:0% publish their games because after you know you know your your design your name align:start position:0% know you know your your design your name align:start position:0% know you know your your design your name together you're like you're a idea align:start position:0% together you're like you're a idea align:start position:0% together you're like you're a idea you're being in your CID and you're like align:start position:0% you're being in your CID and you're like align:start position:0% you're being in your CID and you're like these are all great and once you've align:start position:0% these are all great and once you've align:start position:0% these are all great and once you've published all of those you start to align:start position:0% published all of those you start to align:start position:0% published all of those you start to realize maybe those other ideas that you align:start position:0% realize maybe those other ideas that you align:start position:0% realize maybe those other ideas that you have are good but maybe be better more align:start position:0% have are good but maybe be better more align:start position:0% have are good but maybe be better more successful if you could pick out some align:start position:0% successful if you could pick out some align:start position:0% successful if you could pick out some other ideas that other people would align:start position:0% other ideas that other people would align:start position:0% other ideas that other people would submitted to you really that's actually align:start position:0% submitted to you really that's actually align:start position:0% submitted to you really that's actually better than what I would do myself or align:start position:0% better than what I would do myself or align:start position:0% better than what I would do myself or maybe a lot of times what will happen is align:start position:0% maybe a lot of times what will happen is align:start position:0% maybe a lot of times what will happen is is as a designer you did you have a lot align:start position:0% is as a designer you did you have a lot align:start position:0% is as a designer you did you have a lot of ideas and and if you're a smart one align:start position:0% of ideas and and if you're a smart one align:start position:0% of ideas and and if you're a smart one you realize that most of them are align:start position:0% you realize that most of them are align:start position:0% you realize that most of them are probably not good but that's fine that's align:start position:0% probably not good but that's fine that's align:start position:0% probably not good but that's fine that's absolutely fine that's the nation align:start position:0% absolutely fine that's the nation align:start position:0% absolutely fine that's the nation nothing springs forth from someone's align:start position:0% nothing springs forth from someone's align:start position:0% nothing springs forth from someone's head like Athena perfectly formed it align:start position:0% head like Athena perfectly formed it align:start position:0% head like Athena perfectly formed it just that is not how things are made align:start position:0% just that is not how things are made align:start position:0% just that is not how things are made right you just align:start position:0% right you just align:start position:0% right you just all your favorite musicians practiced align:start position:0% all your favorite musicians practiced align:start position:0% all your favorite musicians practiced forever to get really good it's just the align:start position:0% forever to get really good it's just the align:start position:0% forever to get really good it's just the way it is and in game designs the same align:start position:0% way it is and in game designs the same align:start position:0% way it is and in game designs the same we have to make a lot of really crap align:start position:0% we have to make a lot of really crap align:start position:0% we have to make a lot of really crap there's a really good phrase about align:start position:0% there's a really good phrase about align:start position:0% there's a really good phrase about writing which is that every writer has align:start position:0% writing which is that every writer has align:start position:0% writing which is that every writer has 2,000 bad pages in them and the good align:start position:0% 2,000 bad pages in them and the good align:start position:0% 2,000 bad pages in them and the good writers are the ones who've got the two align:start position:0% writers are the ones who've got the two align:start position:0% writers are the ones who've got the two thousand out somewhere else so um you align:start position:0% thousand out somewhere else so um you align:start position:0% thousand out somewhere else so um you know you got to keep that in mind but I align:start position:0% know you got to keep that in mind but I align:start position:0% know you got to keep that in mind but I think that the the ability to find align:start position:0% think that the the ability to find align:start position:0% think that the the ability to find publishers is is not diminishing but the align:start position:0% publishers is is not diminishing but the align:start position:0% publishers is is not diminishing but the ability to self publish is rising align:start position:0% ability to self publish is rising align:start position:0% ability to self publish is rising especially although we have great align:start position:0% especially although we have great align:start position:0% especially although we have great self-publishing tools now and the align:start position:0% self-publishing tools now and the align:start position:0% self-publishing tools now and the Internet's really good for sharing align:start position:0% Internet's really good for sharing align:start position:0% Internet's really good for sharing things the biggest thing that's happened align:start position:0% things the biggest thing that's happened align:start position:0% things the biggest thing that's happened in the past year and during this year is align:start position:0% in the past year and during this year is align:start position:0% in the past year and during this year is um 3d printing so while we well we've align:start position:0% um 3d printing so while we well we've align:start position:0% um 3d printing so while we well we've kind of hit the end of what align:start position:0% kind of hit the end of what align:start position:0% kind of hit the end of what self-publishing is we're just beginning align:start position:0% self-publishing is we're just beginning align:start position:0% self-publishing is we're just beginning to see what desktop manufacturing is align:start position:0% to see what desktop manufacturing is align:start position:0% to see what desktop manufacturing is like people who are just running their align:start position:0% like people who are just running their align:start position:0% like people who are just running their own little factories in their houses align:start position:0% own little factories in their houses align:start position:0% own little factories in their houses which is super cool actually doing that align:start position:0% which is super cool actually doing that align:start position:0% which is super cool actually doing that for my yeah that's oh cool I really want align:start position:0% for my yeah that's oh cool I really want align:start position:0% for my yeah that's oh cool I really want to do that so much it depends on the align:start position:0% to do that so much it depends on the align:start position:0% to do that so much it depends on the depends on the scale yes this was align:start position:0% depends on the scale yes this was align:start position:0% depends on the scale yes this was printed in China and like I said just align:start position:0% printed in China and like I said just align:start position:0% printed in China and like I said just got off the boat so I worked with a align:start position:0% got off the boat so I worked with a align:start position:0% got off the boat so I worked with a printer on this and you know like align:start position:0% printer on this and you know like align:start position:0% printer on this and you know like because I've been doing printing and align:start position:0% because I've been doing printing and align:start position:0% because I've been doing printing and publishing for for so long like I know align:start position:0% publishing for for so long like I know align:start position:0% publishing for for so long like I know the jargon and know the lingo again align:start position:0% the jargon and know the lingo again align:start position:0% the jargon and know the lingo again another thing that a publisher can be align:start position:0% another thing that a publisher can be align:start position:0% another thing that a publisher can be really good for is that you you don't align:start position:0% really good for is that you you don't align:start position:0% really good for is that you you don't need to study to figure out all the align:start position:0% need to study to figure out all the align:start position:0% need to study to figure out all the things right like they maybe have made align:start position:0% things right like they maybe have made align:start position:0% things right like they maybe have made all those mistakes in the past for you align:start position:0% align:start position:0% yeah if you've got the expertise or you align:start position:0% yeah if you've got the expertise or you align:start position:0% yeah if you've got the expertise or you can organize the expertise amongst the align:start position:0% can organize the expertise amongst the align:start position:0% can organize the expertise amongst the people you know you can get past a lot align:start position:0% people you know you can get past a lot align:start position:0% people you know you can get past a lot of it but but these think about like align:start position:0% of it but but these think about like align:start position:0% of it but but these think about like everyone who's printing stuff or making align:start position:0% everyone who's printing stuff or making align:start position:0% everyone who's printing stuff or making things they want you to use their align:start position:0% things they want you to use their align:start position:0% things they want you to use their services right because they're a service align:start position:0% services right because they're a service align:start position:0% services right because they're a service industry they're gonna make it as easy align:start position:0% industry they're gonna make it as easy align:start position:0% industry they're gonna make it as easy as possible and if they don't make it align:start position:0% as possible and if they don't make it align:start position:0% as possible and if they don't make it easy there's someone align:start position:0% easy there's someone align:start position:0% easy there's someone like four blocks down that is probably align:start position:0% like four blocks down that is probably align:start position:0% like four blocks down that is probably going to do it because that yeah you align:start position:0% going to do it because that yeah you align:start position:0% going to do it because that yeah you capitalism there is you know there's God align:start position:0% capitalism there is you know there's God align:start position:0% capitalism there is you know there's God I think one massage no it is it's align:start position:0% I think one massage no it is it's align:start position:0% I think one massage no it is it's actually a huge expense to buy a printer align:start position:0% actually a huge expense to buy a printer align:start position:0% actually a huge expense to buy a printer the problem with printers is that align:start position:0% the problem with printers is that align:start position:0% the problem with printers is that they're super expensive to have and not align:start position:0% they're super expensive to have and not align:start position:0% they're super expensive to have and not use so people are yeah yeah you want align:start position:0% use so people are yeah yeah you want align:start position:0% use so people are yeah yeah you want that machine running losing money align:start position:0% that machine running losing money align:start position:0% that machine running losing money because you'll lose less money than if align:start position:0% because you'll lose less money than if align:start position:0% because you'll lose less money than if it wasn't running at all so there are align:start position:0% it wasn't running at all so there are align:start position:0% it wasn't running at all so there are there are a decent number of American align:start position:0% there are a decent number of American align:start position:0% there are a decent number of American manufacturers certainly for like align:start position:0% manufacturers certainly for like align:start position:0% manufacturers certainly for like prototype level materials and in align:start position:0% prototype level materials and in align:start position:0% prototype level materials and in Massachusetts right like yeah doesn't align:start position:0% Massachusetts right like yeah doesn't align:start position:0% Massachusetts right like yeah doesn't Massachusetts specifically Massachusetts align:start position:0% Massachusetts specifically Massachusetts align:start position:0% Massachusetts specifically Massachusetts there there's a lot of stuff I would I align:start position:0% there there's a lot of stuff I would I align:start position:0% there there's a lot of stuff I would I would say is from whatever align:start position:0% would say is from whatever align:start position:0% would say is from whatever nothing will be China in terms of cost align:start position:0% nothing will be China in terms of cost align:start position:0% nothing will be China in terms of cost it depends on the it depends on the align:start position:0% it depends on the it depends on the align:start position:0% it depends on the it depends on the exact scope of your project and the align:start position:0% exact scope of your project and the align:start position:0% exact scope of your project and the number of units that you're doing so if align:start position:0% number of units that you're doing so if align:start position:0% number of units that you're doing so if you're doing a few units of a very align:start position:0% you're doing a few units of a very align:start position:0% you're doing a few units of a very complicated thing you can actually align:start position:0% complicated thing you can actually align:start position:0% complicated thing you can actually probably get good prices in America if align:start position:0% probably get good prices in America if align:start position:0% probably get good prices in America if you're doing a lot of units of something align:start position:0% you're doing a lot of units of something align:start position:0% you're doing a lot of units of something relatively simple you you're right you align:start position:0% relatively simple you you're right you align:start position:0% relatively simple you you're right you can't get it right and then there's align:start position:0% can't get it right and then there's align:start position:0% can't get it right and then there's oftentimes like some people will do align:start position:0% oftentimes like some people will do align:start position:0% oftentimes like some people will do piecemeal so they'll go to some printers align:start position:0% piecemeal so they'll go to some printers align:start position:0% piecemeal so they'll go to some printers for something you like the boxes the align:start position:0% for something you like the boxes the align:start position:0% for something you like the boxes the rule books and you kind of pull that align:start position:0% rule books and you kind of pull that align:start position:0% rule books and you kind of pull that together and that can be a nightmare it align:start position:0% together and that can be a nightmare it align:start position:0% together and that can be a nightmare it can be and but there are specifically align:start position:0% can be and but there are specifically align:start position:0% can be and but there are specifically services that you can hire they're align:start position:0% services that you can hire they're align:start position:0% services that you can hire they're called like pick and pack warehouses align:start position:0% called like pick and pack warehouses align:start position:0% called like pick and pack warehouses where let's say I had a board game and align:start position:0% where let's say I had a board game and align:start position:0% where let's say I had a board game and it had components coming from the four align:start position:0% it had components coming from the four align:start position:0% it had components coming from the four corners of the earth I could get them align:start position:0% corners of the earth I could get them align:start position:0% corners of the earth I could get them all shipped to one place and then pay a align:start position:0% all shipped to one place and then pay a align:start position:0% all shipped to one place and then pay a person a quarter per unit to pack it all align:start position:0% person a quarter per unit to pack it all align:start position:0% person a quarter per unit to pack it all together and whatever and if I had align:start position:0% together and whatever and if I had align:start position:0% together and whatever and if I had filled out my spreadsheet correctly I align:start position:0% filled out my spreadsheet correctly I align:start position:0% filled out my spreadsheet correctly I will realize whether that is a align:start position:0% will realize whether that is a align:start position:0% will realize whether that is a financially viable thing or not in the align:start position:0% financially viable thing or not in the align:start position:0% financially viable thing or not in the case of this where I had some one of the align:start position:0% case of this where I had some one of the align:start position:0% case of this where I had some one of the things I like about self manufacturing align:start position:0% things I like about self manufacturing align:start position:0% things I like about self manufacturing is that I can figure that stuff out as align:start position:0% is that I can figure that stuff out as align:start position:0% is that I can figure that stuff out as I'm doing it so for instance on early align:start position:0% I'm doing it so for instance on early align:start position:0% I'm doing it so for instance on early prototypes of slash I was printing all align:start position:0% prototypes of slash I was printing all align:start position:0% prototypes of slash I was printing all the cards and cutting all the cards and align:start position:0% the cards and cutting all the cards and align:start position:0% the cards and cutting all the cards and and killing myself because it's a lot of align:start position:0% and killing myself because it's a lot of align:start position:0% and killing myself because it's a lot of cards to cut and so it kind of bakes align:start position:0% cards to cut and so it kind of bakes align:start position:0% cards to cut and so it kind of bakes back into the design like okay well if I align:start position:0% back into the design like okay well if I align:start position:0% back into the design like okay well if I change the size of the cards I can use align:start position:0% change the size of the cards I can use align:start position:0% change the size of the cards I can use this machine align:start position:0% this machine align:start position:0% this machine cut it and it's gonna save me like a align:start position:0% cut it and it's gonna save me like a align:start position:0% cut it and it's gonna save me like a half-hour align:start position:0% half-hour align:start position:0% half-hour I never similar you met and then that's align:start position:0% I never similar you met and then that's align:start position:0% I never similar you met and then that's a whole nother thing it's design around align:start position:0% a whole nother thing it's design around align:start position:0% a whole nother thing it's design around like your physical capabilities which is align:start position:0% like your physical capabilities which is align:start position:0% like your physical capabilities which is what you'll actually see the rise of align:start position:0% what you'll actually see the rise of align:start position:0% what you'll actually see the rise of like super small games like my car game align:start position:0% like super small games like my car game align:start position:0% like super small games like my car game micro game because they take a lot less align:start position:0% micro game because they take a lot less align:start position:0% micro game because they take a lot less - yeah the biggest game you can create align:start position:0% - yeah the biggest game you can create align:start position:0% - yeah the biggest game you can create using ten wooden ships and a miniature align:start position:0% using ten wooden ships and a miniature align:start position:0% using ten wooden ships and a miniature dice and weave it into a package about align:start position:0% dice and weave it into a package about align:start position:0% dice and weave it into a package about this big yeah so there's that that like align:start position:0% this big yeah so there's that that like align:start position:0% this big yeah so there's that that like threshold but so so one of the things I align:start position:0% threshold but so so one of the things I align:start position:0% threshold but so so one of the things I have with this is that I'm when you do align:start position:0% have with this is that I'm when you do align:start position:0% have with this is that I'm when you do printing you you usually have like one align:start position:0% printing you you usually have like one align:start position:0% printing you you usually have like one big let's say four cards one big piece align:start position:0% big let's say four cards one big piece align:start position:0% big let's say four cards one big piece of paper with a bunch of different cards align:start position:0% of paper with a bunch of different cards align:start position:0% of paper with a bunch of different cards on it then you cut it all out now if I'm align:start position:0% on it then you cut it all out now if I'm align:start position:0% on it then you cut it all out now if I'm making 24 copies of the game it just so align:start position:0% making 24 copies of the game it just so align:start position:0% making 24 copies of the game it just so happens that I can fit 24 cards on one align:start position:0% happens that I can fit 24 cards on one align:start position:0% happens that I can fit 24 cards on one sheet of paper which means instead of align:start position:0% sheet of paper which means instead of align:start position:0% sheet of paper which means instead of printing card align:start position:0% printing card align:start position:0% printing card ABCD efg hijk LMNOP qrs whatever on that align:start position:0% ABCD efg hijk LMNOP qrs whatever on that align:start position:0% ABCD efg hijk LMNOP qrs whatever on that one page and then cutting it out and align:start position:0% one page and then cutting it out and align:start position:0% one page and then cutting it out and then sorting it I can print a 24 x and align:start position:0% then sorting it I can print a 24 x and align:start position:0% then sorting it I can print a 24 x and then do that 400 times in a row stack align:start position:0% then do that 400 times in a row stack align:start position:0% then do that 400 times in a row stack them all together chop it chop a choppa align:start position:0% them all together chop it chop a choppa align:start position:0% them all together chop it chop a choppa choppa choppa choppa chop it and I don't align:start position:0% choppa choppa choppa chop it and I don't align:start position:0% choppa choppa choppa chop it and I don't have to sort anything anymore align:start position:0% have to sort anything anymore align:start position:0% have to sort anything anymore I just like I have caught hours off of align:start position:0% I just like I have caught hours off of align:start position:0% I just like I have caught hours off of that picking back time and now multiply align:start position:0% that picking back time and now multiply align:start position:0% that picking back time and now multiply it by the number that I just got out of align:start position:0% it by the number that I just got out of align:start position:0% it by the number that I just got out of it instead of making one game every half align:start position:0% it instead of making one game every half align:start position:0% it instead of making one game every half hour I'm making 12 games every 15 align:start position:0% hour I'm making 12 games every 15 align:start position:0% hour I'm making 12 games every 15 minutes or something and this I just go align:start position:0% minutes or something and this I just go align:start position:0% minutes or something and this I just go back again to China versus the states as align:start position:0% back again to China versus the states as align:start position:0% back again to China versus the states as well as the I'm finding a lot of align:start position:0% well as the I'm finding a lot of align:start position:0% well as the I'm finding a lot of Kickstarter's realize that the margins align:start position:0% Kickstarter's realize that the margins align:start position:0% Kickstarter's realize that the margins that they need for like small amounts align:start position:0% that they need for like small amounts align:start position:0% that they need for like small amounts like they have to go to Chinese are align:start position:0% like they have to go to Chinese are align:start position:0% like they have to go to Chinese are going to make like if they're gonna even align:start position:0% going to make like if they're gonna even align:start position:0% going to make like if they're gonna even break even but that is they exceed goals align:start position:0% break even but that is they exceed goals align:start position:0% break even but that is they exceed goals or go much higher and they can do larger align:start position:0% or go much higher and they can do larger align:start position:0% or go much higher and they can do larger quantities produced in this States and align:start position:0% quantities produced in this States and align:start position:0% quantities produced in this States and thinking with the same Martinez so a lot align:start position:0% thinking with the same Martinez so a lot align:start position:0% thinking with the same Martinez so a lot of people will if they can get a game align:start position:0% of people will if they can get a game align:start position:0% of people will if they can get a game big enough we'll try and as sort of a align:start position:0% big enough we'll try and as sort of a align:start position:0% big enough we'll try and as sort of a stretch goal bring games to the align:start position:0% stretch goal bring games to the align:start position:0% stretch goal bring games to the States if they can sell enough of them align:start position:0% States if they can sell enough of them align:start position:0% States if they can sell enough of them those are the this is a challenge that align:start position:0% those are the this is a challenge that align:start position:0% those are the this is a challenge that is unique to analog games obviously you align:start position:0% is unique to analog games obviously you align:start position:0% is unique to analog games obviously you don't need to worry about where you're align:start position:0% don't need to worry about where you're align:start position:0% don't need to worry about where you're getting your cards cut fur I guess align:start position:0% getting your cards cut fur I guess align:start position:0% getting your cards cut fur I guess unless you're making like some kind of align:start position:0% unless you're making like some kind of align:start position:0% unless you're making like some kind of Pokemon AR game do they actually like align:start position:0% Pokemon AR game do they actually like align:start position:0% Pokemon AR game do they actually like interact with each other they should align:start position:0% interact with each other they should align:start position:0% interact with each other they should because I last year they did a align:start position:0% because I last year they did a align:start position:0% because I last year they did a Kickstarter for Gollum Arcana which is align:start position:0% Kickstarter for Gollum Arcana which is align:start position:0% Kickstarter for Gollum Arcana which is like an app and a miniatures war game align:start position:0% like an app and a miniatures war game align:start position:0% like an app and a miniatures war game we're like your your dude has a QR code align:start position:0% we're like your your dude has a QR code align:start position:0% we're like your your dude has a QR code on it and then like two hours of class align:start position:0% on it and then like two hours of class align:start position:0% on it and then like two hours of class well first we're gonna take a break and align:start position:0% well first we're gonna take a break and align:start position:0% well first we're gonna take a break and then we're going to be playing but I align:start position:0% then we're going to be playing but I align:start position:0% then we're going to be playing but I think eight different games that I've align:start position:0% think eight different games that I've align:start position:0% think eight different games that I've made align:start position:0% align:start position:0% my business comes up here as I kind of align:start position:0% my business comes up here as I kind of align:start position:0% my business comes up here as I kind of go through the process my game I'm align:start position:0% go through the process my game I'm align:start position:0% go through the process my game I'm basically gonna be posting my align:start position:0% basically gonna be posting my align:start position:0% basically gonna be posting my experiences every step of the way align:start position:0% experiences every step of the way align:start position:0% experiences every step of the way from design to manufacture so if you align:start position:0% from design to manufacture so if you align:start position:0% from design to manufacture so if you want to watch sometimes struggle align:start position:0% want to watch sometimes struggle align:start position:0% want to watch sometimes struggle immensely for the process and watch the align:start position:0% immensely for the process and watch the align:start position:0% immensely for the process and watch the mistakes that I make and laugh immensely align:start position:0% mistakes that I make and laugh immensely align:start position:0% mistakes that I make and laugh immensely it's gonna be hilarious align:start position:0% it's gonna be hilarious align:start position:0% it's gonna be hilarious whatever de Graaff business card if align:start position:0% whatever de Graaff business card if align:start position:0% whatever de Graaff business card if you're interested in playing croquet and align:start position:0% you're interested in playing croquet and align:start position:0% you're interested in playing croquet and also murdering each other this is align:start position:0% also murdering each other this is align:start position:0% also murdering each other this is definitely the game for that and so just align:start position:0% definitely the game for that and so just align:start position:0% definitely the game for that and so just to show you guys these are the three align:start position:0% to show you guys these are the three align:start position:0% to show you guys these are the three phases of prototypes oh this is these align:start position:0% phases of prototypes oh this is these align:start position:0% phases of prototypes oh this is these are the two phases of prototypes that I align:start position:0% are the two phases of prototypes that I align:start position:0% are the two phases of prototypes that I went through yeah and so here's the align:start position:0% went through yeah and so here's the align:start position:0% went through yeah and so here's the string the reason that it's in a VHS align:start position:0% string the reason that it's in a VHS align:start position:0% string the reason that it's in a VHS cassette is um because this will fit align:start position:0% cassette is um because this will fit align:start position:0% cassette is um because this will fit into the smallest flat rate priority align:start position:0% into the smallest flat rate priority align:start position:0% into the smallest flat rate priority mailer really I can get any game that align:start position:0% mailer really I can get any game that align:start position:0% mailer really I can get any game that fits in this size anywhere in America align:start position:0% fits in this size anywhere in America align:start position:0% fits in this size anywhere in America for five bucks in two days align:start position:0% for five bucks in two days align:start position:0% for five bucks in two days you just and you can't beat that and so align:start position:0% you just and you can't beat that and so align:start position:0% you just and you can't beat that and so if I wanted to get a lot of these games align:start position:0% if I wanted to get a lot of these games align:start position:0% if I wanted to get a lot of these games out and not get a second mortgage on my align:start position:0% out and not get a second mortgage on my align:start position:0% out and not get a second mortgage on my house cousin not an idiot um I designed align:start position:0% house cousin not an idiot um I designed align:start position:0% house cousin not an idiot um I designed that so I actually put that with all my align:start position:0% that so I actually put that with all my align:start position:0% that so I actually put that with all my monthly games keys they're dirt cheap align:start position:0% monthly games keys they're dirt cheap align:start position:0% monthly games keys they're dirt cheap they're like eight cents each yeah align:start position:0% they're like eight cents each yeah align:start position:0% they're like eight cents each yeah no one needs up yeah so I found a place align:start position:0% no one needs up yeah so I found a place align:start position:0% no one needs up yeah so I found a place that is still selling them so you know align:start position:0% that is still selling them so you know align:start position:0% that is still selling them so you know supply chain stuff align:start position:0% align:start position:0% no I did not because the I know it may align:start position:0% no I did not because the I know it may align:start position:0% no I did not because the I know it may be my artist is is supposed to be align:start position:0% be my artist is is supposed to be align:start position:0% be my artist is is supposed to be getting it to me today okay you know align:start position:0% align:start position:0% thanks for coming guys align:start position:0% thanks for coming guys align:start position:0% thanks for coming guys oh thanks great help align:start position:0% align:start position:0% you